If you wanna start getting into MC linage start with people like Rakim, KRS, BDK, Grandmaster Caz, Kool G Rap...he is in A LOT of rappers DNA by default.
Can an argument be made that todays rappers are more talented than "golden era" rappers??
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If you wanna start getting into MC linage start with people like Rakim, KRS, BDK, Grandmaster Caz, Kool G Rap...he is in A LOT of rappers DNA by default.
You can make an argument for a lot of dumb shyt, be my guest.
But before you go there, unless you're old enough to have some perspective you need to study the subject at hand a little bit.
Case Study: Rakim.
Ask yourself why one of the most revered and respected rappers of all time didn't even really stick around long enough to be contemporaries with guys like Snoop/Pac/Cube on the level that you would expect...had nothing to do with talent or a "fall off", it had to do with progression and expansion all of which were pushed forward and accelerated largely because of his contributions as an MC.
The game started moving fast off his momentum and "left him behind" as far as the music industry goes. Real recognize real though.
Peace.
Rakim disappeared for like a decade and others filled his void by the time he came back guys in high school thought of him as an old school rapper
He missed the whole nas biggie Pac era completely and there was a new generation of fans who didn't know of him... And this is before internet and streaming allowed anyone to do research on old artists so if he wasn't on radio and your friends weren't talking about him he basically didn't exist if you were in high school in the late 90s
He didn't disappear and nobody filled his void. There was no void, there was a regional BOOM and expansion.
You were in high school with the 18th letter dropped?
Comparing somebody like Rakim to a Jay Z....who are both top 5 IMO is like comparing Pete Maravich to Curry...Pistol was pulling up from the three point distance before the three point line was even invented/accounted for. Jay's longevity and success in the music industry wasn't available to the rappers at the ground floor, so if you gonna compare them it has to stay grounded in skill for the most part. Just like if you're gonna compare "new rappers" to golden era rappers the discussion has to stay grounded in skill.
That's not to say they all suck or that everybody from 2000 and before were flat out brilliant. Just means the drive is different. BDK didn't master rapping for money...he did it on his own free time to impress himself, others and to compete. I'd be willing to bet there is someone who started rapping a month ago with some tracks up on Itunes for sale
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Demon
Evil b*stard
in the 90s, all you had to do was spit those lyrical miracle raps...most of the rappers in that time were ugly, couldn't dress or harmonize, and make a HIT song that could cross over into the mainstream...they were literally making songs for other nikkas to sing along to
in todays climate, the masses realized ANYBODY could rap or spit bars, so in the early 2000's they demanded more from a "rapper"...now you have to be a strong performer on stage, be melodic and harmonize hooks, know how to hold your own on the dance floor, look good and dress fresh...you have to be really talented to make it in the game today
do you think its a coincidence that the billboard hot 100 is flooded with todays generation of hip hop music? or is it safe to say, the quality of music is simply better than back in the days? it reaches and touches way more people now than ever before...billboard was once filled with nikkas like the beatles and rolling stones...now lil yachty and uzi taking up those same spots
Are we finally seeing what hip hop is truly capable of?
I just negged you and put you at -4,100
John Hull
You can’t see me!
Let's take the argument away from rap for a moment. Cuz I suspect a lot of this golden era bashing is being done by uneducated c00ns and russian trolls.
Any music fan worth their salt understands that classics are classics and you don't get to shyt on classic material to win an argument. That throws your age/era/flabby rhetoric out the window cause Hendrix and James Brown are still legends despite you not being "born" when they were hot..
Any music fan worth their salt understands that classics are classics and you don't get to shyt on classic material to win an argument. That throws your age/era/flabby rhetoric out the window cause Hendrix and James Brown are still legends despite you not being "born" when they were hot..
He didn't disappear and nobody filled his void. There was no void, there was a regional BOOM and expansion.
You were in high school with the 18th letter dropped?
Comparing somebody like Rakim to a Jay Z....who are both top 5 IMO is like comparing Pete Maravich to Curry...Pistol was pulling up from the three point distance before the three point line was even invented/accounted for. Jay's longevity and success in the music industry wasn't available to the rappers at the ground floor, so you gonna compare them it has to stay grounded in skill for the most part. If you're gonna compare "new rappers" to golden era rappers the discussion has to stay grounded in skill.
That's not to say they all suck or that everybody from 2000 and before were flat out brilliant. Just means the drive is different. BDK didn't master rapping for money...he did it on his own free time to impress himself, others and to compete. I'd be willing to be there is someone who started rapping a month ago with some tracks up on itunes for sale
I'm glad you brought up skill, we saw Kool Moe Dee destroy Busy Bee in 1981, and battle rapper still use this battle style along with other techniques.
It's almost like boxing, not many new techniques have been created and Boxing was around since 600 B.C.
As far as rap goes it gone through 4 cycles:
1. Skill (Rakim, Krs-One, Chuck D, Slick Rick etc...)
2. Talent (Ice Cube, Tupac, EPMD, Snoop, DMX etc...) Note: Nas would be in the skill AND talent category
3. Creativity (Future, Drake, etc...)
4. Song making ability, catchy songs (Migos, etc...)
Of course you have rappers who can fall in any of these categories, but as far as what the radio and industry of pushing, this is the cycle.
Cabbage Patch
The Media scene in V is for Vendetta is the clue
at how the list narrows.I'd only like to add that of the first two groups, mainstream radio pretended the nikkas you list in the first group didn't exist.
If you was there, you remember the bans, and you remember rap and hip hop calling out mainstream black radio for being part of the bans.
Nikkas didn't have internet...everything blew up by word of mouth, pirate radio, casettes of taped shows out of the Five Buroughs, the clubs.
All this radio push shyt is equivalent of Jerry Heller rewriting history with Straight Out of Compton.
Think back to who WAS played on the radio. And of those played on the radio, who were big enough to break through the bans and "instrumental only' spins. Where do those artists fall, now?
I'd only like to add that of the first two groups, radio didn't push any of the nikkas in the first group or the second group.
If you was there, you remember the bans, and you remember rap and hip hop calling out mainstream black radio for being part of the bans.
Nikkas didn't have internet...everything blew up by word of mouth, pirate radio, casettes of taped shows out of the Five Buroughs, the clubs.
All this radio push shyt is equivalent of Jerry Heller rewriting history with Straight Out of Compton.
Think back to who WAS played on the radio. And of those played on the radio, who were big enough to break through the bans and "instrumental only' spins. Where do those artists fall, now?
I see a silly smiley so I know not to read anything you typed.
Anyway, I didn't read anything you typed, all I can say is rap went into cycles.
stopped reading right here. but I'm glad you said it
this new era measures emcees and hip hop like pop music executives - they gotta be "CUTE" and have the "LOOK"
even for the male fans
but this is the best era ever though
and that can sing?
Railroadpaid
Rookie
im still new here but this has to be the worst post that ive seen thus far...i cant imagine how horrible your music library must be...
Also as quiet as its kept - this is where this whole era stole their style from, and this is from 1998
but think that some nerdy ass producer/artist has never heard of this and didn't copy it
but think that some nerdy ass producer/artist has never heard of this and didn't copy it