Can LeBron really be the GOAT with both 2011 and 2014 on his resume?

[valet]

I can't see anybody who watched 2014 who would hold that against him. Unless they had a bias in the 1st place against Lebron

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

I can't see anybody who watched 2014 who would hold that against him. Unless they had a bias in the 1st place against Lebron

Breh that was a 1-1 series and they preceeded to get blown out 3 straight times

Yes that is held against him. That was a toss up series

 

[god shamgod]

4-6 a weak argument. He should of lost the weaker East on purpose to avoid Spurs and Warriors clearly better teams?. Why didn’t Jordan make 9-10 Finals but LeBron did. LeBron lost but Jordan didn’t even get there more than 6 times that means Jordan got beat because he wasn’t good enough to meet the Lakers in the 80’s

Jordan was good enough his team wasn’t

Why is it so hard to accept the fact the bulls were a young ass team in 1988-1990 while the pistons & Celtics were veteran teams with championship and playoff experience? it’s obvious jordan wasn’t beating them then. When his team was good they took the pistons 7 then swept them

 

[Everythingg]

That's not even the issue. MJ didn't play a zillion seasons on contenders because that wasn't a thing back then. It's like asking why Peja didn't spam more 3s like people do now. Well...he would if he played in this era.

13 seasons isn't enough? Bron was 4 seasons in when he no showed in 2007 and 8 seasons in when he no showed in 2011. Shouldn't MJ have examples like these in his 13 seasons?

Shut your dumb ass up

You call someone with a losing record in the finals "the goat"? Even when he no showed in 2 of those losses? Couldn't be me

 

[Gotright]

13 seasons isn't enough? Bron was 4 seasons in when he no showed in 2007 and 8 seasons in when he no showed in 2011. Shouldn't MJ have examples like these in his 13 seasons?


You call someone with a losing record in the finals "the goat"? Even when he no showed in 2 of those losses? Couldn't be me

I don’t think he the goat. You just a dumb ass

 

[Everythingg]

I don’t think he the goat.

So what you mad at then? Lebron has a losing record in the finals with him being a no show in 2 of those losses while MJ won every time he went. And even when he lost, what series would you point to where he was a he a no show like Lebron was in 07 and 11? Even with the Cavs getting swept in 07, they were in every game late. Its just that their best player couldn't overcome the "let him shoot" defensive strategy

Oh and pretending to not have a dog in the fight but immediately go the "shut up meaniehead" route when someone responds to a question you asked?

 

[Rekkapryde]

I mean statistically he will reign but overall consensus is still MJ. MJ done more in less time never went to a game 7. Even if he stretches his career and win 6 rings it will look like it took you that long to get 6 rings. Do I think he is one of the GOATs as far as conditioning and longevity? Yes.

Mike also never had the Finals competition of Bron. Not close imo.

However 2011 was BAD and MJ fans got a point with that.

 

[Gotright]

So what you mad at then? Lebron has a losing record in the finals with him being a no show in 2 of those losses while MJ won every time he went. And even when he lost, what series would you point to where he was a he a no show like Lebron was in 07 and 11? Even with the Cavs getting swept in 07, they were in every game late. Its just that their best player couldn't overcome the "let him shoot" defensive strategy

Oh and pretending to not have a dog in the fight but immediately go the "shut up meaniehead" route when someone responds to a question you asked?

First I have Jordan as my goat. Second I’ll never let 2011 slide and if u can’t understand 2007 and 2019 then you’re a dumb ass. You think just cause he made it then and lose is worse then losing in early rounds is dumb nikka shyt. But you have a good day sir

 

[fifth column]

Mike also never had the Finals competition of Bron. Not close imo.

However 2011 was BAD and MJ fans got a point with that.

With the exception of 2007, LeBron picked his own teammates though so he had control over the quality of his team, he just lost a lot in the finals, no need for qualifiers

 

[Mister Terrific]

LeBron made 10 finals during an era where the world picked up the game and the league was deeper than ever.


Jordan made 6 finals playing against plumbers and insurance salesman and his only competition was his own countrymen


LeBron > Jordan.

 

[god shamgod]

LeBron made 10 finals during an era where the world picked up the game and the league was deeper than ever.


Jordan made 6 finals playing against plumbers and insurance salesman and his only competition was his own countrymen


LeBron > Jordan.

Lebron played in a conference facing demar derozan,Jeff Teague & Isaiah Thomas.jordan faced the Celtics & the pistons who either went to the finals or won championships his first 5 seasons in the nba

 

[Everythingg]

First I have Jordan as my goat. Second I’ll never let 2011 slide and if u can’t understand 2007 and 2019 then you’re a dumb ass. You think just cause he made it then and lose is worse then losing in early rounds is dumb nikka shyt. But you have a good day sir

If you believe those things then what are you mad about?

Is someone supposed to understand that the every game in the 2007 Cavs/Spurs series was winnable even with the best Cavs player playing bad (in every game)? When counting, that makes 3 clunkers (07,11, and games 5/6/7 in 2010 vs Celts) and while MJ has none. People (since you say its not you) seem to want to use losses in the finals to elevate a person's stance over someone who won more despite going less.

If Giannis wins a ring this year, his 2-0 record in the finals is looked at as better than Jerry West going 1-9. Jerry doesn't get extra credit for going to the finals to lose more times than someone else who won more every time they got there... Its beyond me why that got you mad but yea "good day" to you too

 

[Mister Terrific]

Lebron played in a conference facing demar derozan,Jeff Teague & Isaiah Thomas.jordan faced the Celtics & the pistons who either went to the finals or won championships his first 5 seasons in the nba

LeBron made it to the finals as a 22 year old vs the Pistons - who were 2 years removed from a title and 1 year removed from making the NBA finals

The Pistons had Rip Hamilton, Rasheed Wallace, Chris Webber. Antonio McDyess and Chauncey Billups.


Michael Jordan at 22 years old got out of the playoffs in the 1st round by the 86 Bucks 3-1 whose leading scorer was Terry Cummings.



Yeah Jordan was the whipping boy of the Celtics and Pistons for many years until Scottie arrived, none of those series were close.


Conversely LeBron by himself took the 66 win 2008 NBA champions Celtics 7 games by himself

One of his most forgotten yet most brilliant series

 

[MostReal]

Absolutely not

 

[Mister Terrific]

while MJ has none.

False

At the same age LeBron was making the NBA finals, Jordan got put out of the playoffs by the Milwaukee Bucks 3-1

He averaged 29 points on 43% shooting and 12% from the 3 point line

1985 NBA Eastern Conference First Round - Bulls vs. Bucks | Basketball-Reference.com

Summary and statistics for the 1985 NBA Eastern Conference First Round - Bulls vs. Bucks

www.basketball-reference.com

Game 1: 7-19
Game 2: 9-17
Game 3: 12-26
Game 4: 6-16


Game 4 wasn’t particularly close either



Jordan was positively awful and outplayed by Sydney Moncrief who averaged 27 on 55% shooting

LeBron went up against 3 hall of famers with a hall of fame coach.

Jordan played his clunkers getting put out of the playoffs before the finals.


Keep going and I’ll bring up those Pistons series that the weirdly gets credit for playing like ass and getting his ass beat.