Can Muslims and Christians both be right?

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I believe the bible as it is now has been corrupted and altered

When was it 'corrupted' considering it was the same in Muhammad's time as it was hundreds of years before he was born up until present-day according to ALL textual evidence?

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[ill]

Aren't there tenets in Christianity or is the simple belief in God means you're saved, regardless of your actions? Wouldn't God love those who do what he ordered them and avoid what he forbade them?

Paradise and salvation are rewards we have to obtain by following God's orders. Being a reward, we MUST prove we deserve it by doing works God told us to do and for us to seek his salvation and mercy with our deeds and belief.



1 - Yes, Jesus (PBUH) is a prophet of God and one of the 5 main messengers of Allah, the others being Noah (PBUH), Abraham (PBUH), Moses (PBUH) and Muhammad (PBUH). He's hold in very high esteem and is considered the Messiah of end times. The teachings of Islam are in line with Jesus' message of strict monotheism and submission to God.

2 - Christianity has been corrupted and I don't see how Jesus (PBUH) would've declared himself as God's son, rather than being his prophet. Allah/God has no daughters, what you reffered to was Arab Jahiliya (age of ignorance) paganist beliefs

3 - Muhammad (PBUH) prophecies can be found in the hadiths and his sayings.

http://www.iqra.net/Hadith/prophecy.php

And the Quran sent by God to his messenger is his ultimate miracle

If Islam believes in Jesus/Noah and Abraham/Moses, than how do they discredit the Jewish and Christian bibles?

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

When was it 'corrupted' considering it was the same in Muhammad's time as it was hundreds of years before he was born up until present-day according to ALL textual evidence?

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The bible have had several revisions, versions and changes throughout history, anyone unbiased can see that. But, go on

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If Islam believes in Jesus/Noah and Abraham/Moses, than how do they discredit the Jewish and Christian bibles?

Prophect Muhammad (PBUH) is the direct continuation of the prophets and messengers sent before him with his message being the worship and submission to the one and only God (which was every prophet preached). We believe that christianity and the belief of trinity (which is association to God) is wrong and not the teaching of Jesus (PBUH) and that Jewish beliefs and jews strayed away from the path of righteousness. Also, they denied Muhammad (PBUH) being God's final prophet sent to guide mankind to submit to God.

 

[Quarterback]

Muhammed (piss be unto him) was a fakkit. Jesus (piss be unto him) was a p*ssy who'd suck Muhammed's dikk.

Only a faq would keep saying PBUH . You want peace unto fictional characters? What kind of a retard r u

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

Muhammed (piss be unto him) was a fakkit. Jesus (piss be unto him) was a p*ssy who'd suck Muhammed's dikk.

Only a faq would keep saying PBUH . You want peace unto fictional characters? What kind of a retard r u

Negged.

 

[lini...]

Muslims believe in the revelation specifically given to Moses, Abraham, David, Jesus (pbut). None of the books of the Bible are authored by these men. They are biographies and stories about them, not written by them. All of the actual words that they said from GOD is what Muslims believe in.

 

[Type Username Here]

Believe that God impregnated a virgin woman with himself in order to allow himself to be killed to save his creations from being punished by himself brehs.

You figured he could have taken a shortcut in there somewhere.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

The bible have had several revisions, versions and changes throughout history, anyone unbiased can see that. But, go on

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Revisions/changes =/= 'corruption' since updating the language is a product of archaeological discoveries and societal progression.

Versions can be considered 'corrupted', but since there are so many copies, those are easily seen (Book of Mormon, Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, etc.)

Letter to the Romans

The Letters of Saint Paul
Greek text on papyrus c.AD 180-200 Egypt
CB BP II (P46) f.11r

This letter is the longest and perhaps, the most important of Paul’s letters, as it contains his views on the Christian faith. It has been studied more than any other letter and is used as a benchmark in judging the authenticity of other Pauline texts.

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[Turk]

What I want to understand is on what authority does Islam make the claim that the Torah is corrupted.

 

[Thsnnor]

Paradise and salvation are rewards we have to obtain by following God's orders. Being a reward, we MUST prove we deserve it by doing works God told us to do and for us to seek his salvation and mercy with our deeds and belief.



1 - Yes, Jesus (PBUH) is a prophet of God and one of the 5 main messengers of Allah, the others being Noah (PBUH), Abraham (PBUH), Moses (PBUH) and Muhammad (PBUH). He's hold in very high esteem and is considered the Messiah of end times. The teachings of Islam are in line with Jesus' message of strict monotheism and submission to God.

2 - Christianity has been corrupted and I don't see how Jesus (PBUH) would've declared himself as God's son, rather than being his prophet. Allah/God has no daughters, what you reffered to was Arab Jahiliya (age of ignorance) paganist beliefs

3 - Muhammad (PBUH) prophecies can be found in the hadiths and his sayings.

http://www.iqra.net/Hadith/prophecy.php

And the Quran sent by God to his messenger is his ultimate miracle

1. So in other words WORKS.

2. Did you know if you say Christianity has been corrupted and Christianity is from Jesus then you are calling allah a liar? What Jesus said conflicts with Islam and allah said believe mohammed AND THE PROPHETS SENT BEFORE HIM. So again I ask WHO IS LYING? Allah? Jesus? or Mohammed?

The Word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice. None can change His Words.
Surat-ul An'am (6):15
No change can there be in the Words of God.
Surat-u Yunus (10):64

So why are you calling allah a liar?

3. If you are a muslim why not tell me? I don't send people to look up scriptures.

 

[Thsnnor]

Muslims believe in the revelation specifically given to Moses, Abraham, David, Jesus (pbut). None of the books of the Bible are authored by these men. They are biographies and stories about them, not written by them. All of the actual words that they said from GOD is what Muslims believe in.

Moses is credited with writing the first five books of the Bible. The koran even stated the Bible (people of the book which are Jews and Christians) was sent by allah.

The Word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice. None can change His Words.
Surat-ul An'am (6):15
No change can there be in the Words of God.
Surat-u Yunus (10):64

Can you address the discrepancy?

 

[Thsnnor]

What I want to understand is on what authority does Islam make the claim that the Torah is corrupted.

It is a conflict. In the koran it was written that all writings came from allah and he would keep them.
So someone is not telling the truth.

The Word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice. None can change His Words.
Surat-ul An'am (6):15
No change can there be in the Words of God.
Surat-u Yunus (10):64

 

[Thsnnor]

The bible have had several revisions, versions and changes throughout history, anyone unbiased can see that. But, go on

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Prophect Muhammad (PBUH) is the direct continuation of the prophets and messengers sent before him with his message being the worship and submission to the one and only God (which was every prophet preached). We believe that christianity and the belief of trinity (which is association to God) is wrong and not the teaching of Jesus (PBUH) and that Jewish beliefs and jews strayed away from the path of righteousness. Also, they denied Muhammad (PBUH) being God's final prophet sent to guide mankind to submit to God.

The main changes the Bible has were spelling and adding puncuation. None of the main core was changed. If you mean these other bibles like the NIV, ESV, NWT and the like then those change God's words but most of those are in conjunction with the vatican.

In the koran Jesus is talked about more than mohammed and did greater miracles. Why not follow Jesus then?

 

[ejthompson23]

If Islam believes in Jesus/Noah and Abraham/Moses, than how do they discredit the Jewish and Christian bibles?

I'm not really religious..I lost that when I moved out my mom house...but out of all religions Islam is thr one that I dnt believe the least and hate the most...Mohammed claims prophethood out of thin air...then he does absolutely nothing prophetic...frm what I read he was a great military commander...but religious wise he's shooting blanks...he tried to sell his prophet hood to the Jews who immediately recognized he was full of shyt and curved him (that's why the direction of prayer was moved frm Jerusalem to the kabaa in Saudi Arabia)...he tried to tell the Christians that he's who Jesus was talking about and again he got curved...that's why he hated the "people of the book so much"...who bought his message? The jaliya (ignorent) Arabs in the peninsula who didn't know any better...
People in the know never accept new prophets with no proof...same way apostle Paul got curved trying to tell the Jews that Jesus was the messiah...they knew better and told him to gtfoh...so he sold his message to the pagan Greek Anatolians (turkey), Italians, Greeks...
But how can a black man seriously believe in Islam? I cnt answer that question...

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

What I want to understand is on what authority does Islam make the claim that the Torah is corrupted.

Not Islam, but one Muslim........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Hazm​