Quarterback
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Peace be unto a dead fictional character? Do u also say PBUH after you say Darth Vader's name?
at saying PBUH. You religious fukks are gay af.
Can Muslims and Christians both be right?
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at saying PBUH. You religious fukks are gay af.
Which verse above says that the Bible is the word of God? If you look closely, none of those verse say what you want them to. The Qur'an says that the scriptures that you have contain some error and some truth and the Qur'an is the "muhaimin" or the quality control that is used to decipher the true from the false. The Qur'an is called the Criterion because it is the measuring stick for other scriptures. But the Qur'an does not say that the Bible contains the scriptures given to Moses, David, and Jesus (pbuh). It simply says that if you look in the books that you possess, you will find the truth of Islam.
And if you remember Jesus (pbuh) is recorded as doing the same. He tells his Jewish audience, if you read in your law, you would believe in me. He is disassociating himself from the laws that they possess. But he is saying, even in this book that you have manufactured, the truth is still somewhere in it. The same is true for the entire Bible. It is a series of books written by several unknown authors, but it does contain some truth (and some falsehood).
And before you say it, this is not changing the Words of ALLAH. The words of ALLAH are the actually words that Moses, David, Abraham and Jesus (pbuh) spoke. But it is you who have a problem. The Bible says the words of God have been changed.
Jeremiah 8:8 "'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?
Unless you believe as I do, that the Bible is not the word of God and that it never was, it merely contained some of the message of God, then you have the problem here. The Bible is the words of people writing what they believed these prophets said and did. A biography can be quite different from the actually teachings of an individual.
The Qur'an also says that for EVERY prophet, there were people who wrote fancy stories about that Prophet, which took away from the Message and focused on the Messenger. This is how Jesus became a racist celibate GOD/man, how Abraham and Lot became incestuous, how Noah became a drunkard, how Moses,David and Elijah became murderers, how Aaron became an idolator, and how Muhammad (pbut) became a murderous pedophile. All of these vicious lies came from people writing stories about the prophets to distract people from their message, not from the Words of God that they conveyed.
And if you remember Jesus (pbuh) is recorded as doing the same. He tells his Jewish audience, if you read in your law, you would believe in me. He is disassociating himself from the laws that they possess. But he is saying, even in this book that you have manufactured, the truth is still somewhere in it. The same is true for the entire Bible. It is a series of books written by several unknown authors, but it does contain some truth (and some falsehood).
And before you say it, this is not changing the Words of ALLAH. The words of ALLAH are the actually words that Moses, David, Abraham and Jesus (pbuh) spoke. But it is you who have a problem. The Bible says the words of God have been changed.
Jeremiah 8:8 "'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?
Unless you believe as I do, that the Bible is not the word of God and that it never was, it merely contained some of the message of God, then you have the problem here. The Bible is the words of people writing what they believed these prophets said and did. A biography can be quite different from the actually teachings of an individual.
The Qur'an also says that for EVERY prophet, there were people who wrote fancy stories about that Prophet, which took away from the Message and focused on the Messenger. This is how Jesus became a racist celibate GOD/man, how Abraham and Lot became incestuous, how Noah became a drunkard, how Moses,David and Elijah became murderers, how Aaron became an idolator, and how Muhammad (pbut) became a murderous pedophile. All of these vicious lies came from people writing stories about the prophets to distract people from their message, not from the Words of God that they conveyed.
Peace be unto a dead fictional character? Do u also say PBUH after you say Darth Vader's name?
Dead and fictional, huh? Whatever carry on.
Allah told Mohammed if you don't understand talk to those who have the gospel. Allah also said he revealed ALL before. If you don't believe that you are NOT accurately following the Koran. Why are you going against what Allah has revealed?
Bismillah Ar-Rahmn Ar-Rahim. Sorry for the late reply, but here we go.
So, a book 150 years after Jesus (PBUH) disappearance which shares Paul (who isn't a prophet or messenger) VIEWS ON CHRISTIANITY? Is that supposed to be God's word or just a man's interpretation? Is this a holy book?
You also aknowledge that the "word of god" has been changed by man due to societal progression. Isn't this the work of man rather than God? Or were those men "inspired by God" or whatever you believe in?
1. Salvation and paradise are REWARDS. Isn't it natural for them to be accessed by mean who showed virtue and did what God ordered them to do and avoid what he made forbidden/illicit?
Doesn't Christianity have orders to follow and interdictions to avoid? Don't you do work such as attending church, praying to God, confessing to priests for pardon (which is totally ridiculous, btw)..etc
Or do you think that just believing in Jesus being God's son and the savior is enough? Can you GUARANTEE me heaven if I do that only with no kind of work? It'd be "helpful" for me as I could enage in sin, avoid dedicating time of my day to worship, stop fasting/going to the mosque..etc if I know that I'll be forgiven and salvaged no matter what
Unless I'm deeply mistaken, you provided no explanation for what you mean by that. It'd be appreciated if you told me why is "work" bad and what are your thoughts.
2. I strongly believe Jesus (PBUH) never proclaimed himself as being God or his son. All prophets called to the oneness and submission to God, which falls in line with the teachings of Muhammad (PBUH).
I'll give better perspective to the verses you quoted:
http://quran.com/6/114-116 (It's also in Arabic, if you can read/understand it).
6:114
[Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.
6:115
And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
6:116
And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.
Word of the lord being fulfilled refers to Quran being God's word and that Islam is God's final revelation to mankind. It's also refereneced in this part of verse 3 of Surah Al-Ma'idah : "This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion" [whole verse: http://quran.com/5/3 , it's somewhat long]. Also, altering God's word have been often used in the Quran and it means that no man can change God's commands or that God will punish those who were promised paradise or reward those who were punished to hell. It also says that those who receieved the scriptures know that this Quran is ALLAH's (SWT) truth and believe in it. Those who don't or deny it and tried to falsify God's message (by claiming the trinity for example) are not to be followed.
The other verse in detail:
http://quran.com/10/62-64
10:62
Unquestionably, [for] the allies of Allah there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve
10:63
Those who believed and were fearing Allah
10:64
For them are good tidings in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. No change is there in the words of Allah . That is what is the great attainment.
With proper context, we can see that God's word here refer to the promise of promise of good things to happen to those who believed and feared God and no change can happen in the word of God's as no one can interfer and prevent them from attaining heaven.
3. I've sent you a link if you wished to read it. Here's also another one composed of hadiths:
http://sunnah.org/history/miracles_of_Prophet.htm
Also, Isra and Mi'raj, which is in the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isra_and_Mi'raj
Since these are whole pages with a lot of text, I didn't see it fit to copy and paste the entirety in here. Also, prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) biggest miracle is receiving and delivering the word of God, i.e. the holy Quran.
I believe there are way more changes than that and anyone unbiased will say the same thing. Also, you said there were several versions that changed God's word and they have been athorized by the Vatican. So these are man-made changes and also what gives the Vatican authority in changing God's word?
Imagine if the Quran have been changed or had several version authorized by the Caliphate or scholar, wouldn't you point that out?
We do follow Jesus (PBUH) and he has a very special place in our hearts, as he's one of God's most beloeved prophet and also the messiah of end times who will make God's law prevail in Earth. We simply don't believe in Christianity which has corrupted the teaching of Jesus (PBUH) and put him in a place he never claimed and which he will dissociate himself with.
May God guide us all to the right path so we can enjoy his reward, friend
I'll go verse by verse, once again quoting multiple verses to have better understanding of the context and their meaning:
http://quran.com/29/46-48
29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
29:47
And thus We have sent down to you the Qur'an. And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture believe in it. And among these [people of Makkah] are those who believe in it. And none reject Our verses except the disbelievers.
29:48
And you did not recite before it any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your right hand. Otherwise the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt.
People of the scripture are those who preserved God's word and didn't believe in the falsifiers. They were also invited to believe in the Quran and only the disbeliever will reject God's message. We also believe in the teachings of the scriptures and holy books revealed to ALLAH (SWT) messengers and the Quran is the continuation of those beliefs of oneness and worship of God.
http://quran.com/5/46-48
5:46
And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.
5:47
And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.
5:48
And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.
The Gospel is God's word and the continuation of the Torah, which is God's word and law. Those who received the Gospel should adhere by what they've received from God, and those who don't are disobedient. The Quran is the continuation of the holy books sent by God to guide mankind. Once again, this refers to the orginal scriptures and teachings, not the altered and corrupted ones that will emerge and stray people from the right path.
http://quran.com/10/94-95
10:94
So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.
10:95
And never be of those who deny the signs of Allah and [thus] be among the losers.
This is a hypotehtical scenario that never happened since Muhammad (PBUH) never was in doubt of God's revelation. If he did, he'd have been among the losers. This is also similar to these verses:
6:86
And Ishmael and Elisha and Jonah and Lot - and all [of them] We preferred over the worlds.
6:87
And [some] among their fathers and their descendants and their brothers - and We chose them and We guided them to a straight path.
6:88
That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whomever He wills of His servants. But if they had associated others with Allah , then worthless for them would be whatever they were doing.
http://quran.com/6/86-88
Did these righteous prophets ever falter from God's message and worship? Of course not, which is the same with our prophet Muhammad (PBUH), it's a conditional IF that has never happened. And onc again the scriptures refers to the original and true message of God, not the man-altered concept of trinity and Christian beliefs that will follow.
You're entitled to your opinion and all that, but this thread and discussion had been very civil except for your posts. You're acting like a child lacking attention and you don't have any positive contribution to this thread.
Look @Quarterback ya'll, give him a hug, friends
Revisions/changes =/= 'corruption' since updating the language is a product of archaeological discoveries and societal progression.
Versions can be considered 'corrupted', but since there are so many copies, those are easily seen (Book of Mormon, Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, etc.)
So, a book 150 years after Jesus (PBUH) disappearance which shares Paul (who isn't a prophet or messenger) VIEWS ON CHRISTIANITY? Is that supposed to be God's word or just a man's interpretation? Is this a holy book?
You also aknowledge that the "word of god" has been changed by man due to societal progression. Isn't this the work of man rather than God? Or were those men "inspired by God" or whatever you believe in?
1. Salvation and paradise are REWARDS. Isn't it natural for them to be accessed by mean who showed virtue and did what God ordered them to do and avoid what he made forbidden/illicit?
Doesn't Christianity have orders to follow and interdictions to avoid? Don't you do work such as attending church, praying to God, confessing to priests for pardon (which is totally ridiculous, btw)..etc
Or do you think that just believing in Jesus being God's son and the savior is enough? Can you GUARANTEE me heaven if I do that only with no kind of work? It'd be "helpful" for me as I could enage in sin, avoid dedicating time of my day to worship, stop fasting/going to the mosque..etc if I know that I'll be forgiven and salvaged no matter what
Unless I'm deeply mistaken, you provided no explanation for what you mean by that. It'd be appreciated if you told me why is "work" bad and what are your thoughts.
2. I strongly believe Jesus (PBUH) never proclaimed himself as being God or his son. All prophets called to the oneness and submission to God, which falls in line with the teachings of Muhammad (PBUH).
I'll give better perspective to the verses you quoted:
http://quran.com/6/114-116 (It's also in Arabic, if you can read/understand it).
6:114
[Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.
6:115
And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
6:116
And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.
Word of the lord being fulfilled refers to Quran being God's word and that Islam is God's final revelation to mankind. It's also refereneced in this part of verse 3 of Surah Al-Ma'idah : "This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion" [whole verse: http://quran.com/5/3 , it's somewhat long]. Also, altering God's word have been often used in the Quran and it means that no man can change God's commands or that God will punish those who were promised paradise or reward those who were punished to hell. It also says that those who receieved the scriptures know that this Quran is ALLAH's (SWT) truth and believe in it. Those who don't or deny it and tried to falsify God's message (by claiming the trinity for example) are not to be followed.
The other verse in detail:
http://quran.com/10/62-64
10:62
Unquestionably, [for] the allies of Allah there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve
10:63
Those who believed and were fearing Allah
10:64
For them are good tidings in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. No change is there in the words of Allah . That is what is the great attainment.
With proper context, we can see that God's word here refer to the promise of promise of good things to happen to those who believed and feared God and no change can happen in the word of God's as no one can interfer and prevent them from attaining heaven.
3. I've sent you a link if you wished to read it. Here's also another one composed of hadiths:
http://sunnah.org/history/miracles_of_Prophet.htm
Also, Isra and Mi'raj, which is in the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isra_and_Mi'raj
Since these are whole pages with a lot of text, I didn't see it fit to copy and paste the entirety in here. Also, prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) biggest miracle is receiving and delivering the word of God, i.e. the holy Quran.
I believe there are way more changes than that and anyone unbiased will say the same thing. Also, you said there were several versions that changed God's word and they have been athorized by the Vatican. So these are man-made changes and also what gives the Vatican authority in changing God's word?
Imagine if the Quran have been changed or had several version authorized by the Caliphate or scholar, wouldn't you point that out?
We do follow Jesus (PBUH) and he has a very special place in our hearts, as he's one of God's most beloeved prophet and also the messiah of end times who will make God's law prevail in Earth. We simply don't believe in Christianity which has corrupted the teaching of Jesus (PBUH) and put him in a place he never claimed and which he will dissociate himself with.
May God guide us all to the right path so we can enjoy his reward, friend
I'll go verse by verse, once again quoting multiple verses to have better understanding of the context and their meaning:
http://quran.com/29/46-48
29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
29:47
And thus We have sent down to you the Qur'an. And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture believe in it. And among these [people of Makkah] are those who believe in it. And none reject Our verses except the disbelievers.
29:48
And you did not recite before it any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your right hand. Otherwise the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt.
People of the scripture are those who preserved God's word and didn't believe in the falsifiers. They were also invited to believe in the Quran and only the disbeliever will reject God's message. We also believe in the teachings of the scriptures and holy books revealed to ALLAH (SWT) messengers and the Quran is the continuation of those beliefs of oneness and worship of God.
http://quran.com/5/46-48
5:46
And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.
5:47
And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.
5:48
And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.
The Gospel is God's word and the continuation of the Torah, which is God's word and law. Those who received the Gospel should adhere by what they've received from God, and those who don't are disobedient. The Quran is the continuation of the holy books sent by God to guide mankind. Once again, this refers to the orginal scriptures and teachings, not the altered and corrupted ones that will emerge and stray people from the right path.
http://quran.com/10/94-95
10:94
So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.
10:95
And never be of those who deny the signs of Allah and [thus] be among the losers.
This is a hypotehtical scenario that never happened since Muhammad (PBUH) never was in doubt of God's revelation. If he did, he'd have been among the losers. This is also similar to these verses:
6:86
And Ishmael and Elisha and Jonah and Lot - and all [of them] We preferred over the worlds.
6:87
And [some] among their fathers and their descendants and their brothers - and We chose them and We guided them to a straight path.
6:88
That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whomever He wills of His servants. But if they had associated others with Allah , then worthless for them would be whatever they were doing.
http://quran.com/6/86-88
Did these righteous prophets ever falter from God's message and worship? Of course not, which is the same with our prophet Muhammad (PBUH), it's a conditional IF that has never happened. And onc again the scriptures refers to the original and true message of God, not the man-altered concept of trinity and Christian beliefs that will follow.
Peace be unto a dead fictional character? Do u also say PBUH after you say Darth Vader's name?
You're entitled to your opinion and all that, but this thread and discussion had been very civil except for your posts. You're acting like a child lacking attention and you don't have any positive contribution to this thread.
Look @Quarterback ya'll, give him a hug, friends
Bismillah Ar-Rahmn Ar-Rahim. Sorry for the late reply, but here we go.
So, a book 150 years after Jesus (PBUH) disappearance which shares Paul (who isn't a prophet or messenger) VIEWS ON CHRISTIANITY? Is that supposed to be God's word or just a man's interpretation? Is this a holy book?
You also aknowledge that the "word of god" has been changed by man due to societal progression. Isn't this the work of man rather than God? Or were those men "inspired by God" or whatever you believe in?
1. Salvation and paradise are REWARDS. Isn't it natural for them to be accessed by mean who showed virtue and did what God ordered them to do and avoid what he made forbidden/illicit?
Doesn't Christianity have orders to follow and interdictions to avoid? Don't you do work such as attending church, praying to God, confessing to priests for pardon (which is totally ridiculous, btw)..etc
Or do you think that just believing in Jesus being God's son and the savior is enough? Can you GUARANTEE me heaven if I do that only with no kind of work? It'd be "helpful" for me as I could enage in sin, avoid dedicating time of my day to worship, stop fasting/going to the mosque..etc if I know that I'll be forgiven and salvaged no matter what
Unless I'm deeply mistaken, you provided no explanation for what you mean by that. It'd be appreciated if you told me why is "work" bad and what are your thoughts.
2. I strongly believe Jesus (PBUH) never proclaimed himself as being God or his son. All prophets called to the oneness and submission to God, which falls in line with the teachings of Muhammad (PBUH).
I'll give better perspective to the verses you quoted:
http://quran.com/6/114-116 (It's also in Arabic, if you can read/understand it).
6:114
[Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.
6:115
And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
6:116
And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.
Word of the lord being fulfilled refers to Quran being God's word and that Islam is God's final revelation to mankind. It's also refereneced in this part of verse 3 of Surah Al-Ma'idah : "This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion" [whole verse: http://quran.com/5/3 , it's somewhat long]. Also, altering God's word have been often used in the Quran and it means that no man can change God's commands or that God will punish those who were promised paradise or reward those who were punished to hell. It also says that those who receieved the scriptures know that this Quran is ALLAH's (SWT) truth and believe in it. Those who don't or deny it and tried to falsify God's message (by claiming the trinity for example) are not to be followed.
The other verse in detail:
http://quran.com/10/62-64
10:62
Unquestionably, [for] the allies of Allah there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve
10:63
Those who believed and were fearing Allah
10:64
For them are good tidings in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. No change is there in the words of Allah . That is what is the great attainment.
With proper context, we can see that God's word here refer to the promise of promise of good things to happen to those who believed and feared God and no change can happen in the word of God's as no one can interfer and prevent them from attaining heaven.
3. I've sent you a link if you wished to read it. Here's also another one composed of hadiths:
http://sunnah.org/history/miracles_of_Prophet.htm
Also, Isra and Mi'raj, which is in the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isra_and_Mi'raj
Since these are whole pages with a lot of text, I didn't see it fit to copy and paste the entirety in here. Also, prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) biggest miracle is receiving and delivering the word of God, i.e. the holy Quran.
I believe there are way more changes than that and anyone unbiased will say the same thing. Also, you said there were several versions that changed God's word and they have been athorized by the Vatican. So these are man-made changes and also what gives the Vatican authority in changing God's word?
Imagine if the Quran have been changed or had several version authorized by the Caliphate or scholar, wouldn't you point that out?
We do follow Jesus (PBUH) and he has a very special place in our hearts, as he's one of God's most beloeved prophet and also the messiah of end times who will make God's law prevail in Earth. We simply don't believe in Christianity which has corrupted the teaching of Jesus (PBUH) and put him in a place he never claimed and which he will dissociate himself with.
May God guide us all to the right path so we can enjoy his reward, friend
I'll go verse by verse, once again quoting multiple verses to have better understanding of the context and their meaning:
http://quran.com/29/46-48
29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
29:47
And thus We have sent down to you the Qur'an. And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture believe in it. And among these [people of Makkah] are those who believe in it. And none reject Our verses except the disbelievers.
29:48
And you did not recite before it any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your right hand. Otherwise the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt.
People of the scripture are those who preserved God's word and didn't believe in the falsifiers. They were also invited to believe in the Quran and only the disbeliever will reject God's message. We also believe in the teachings of the scriptures and holy books revealed to ALLAH (SWT) messengers and the Quran is the continuation of those beliefs of oneness and worship of God.
http://quran.com/5/46-48
5:46
And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.
5:47
And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.
5:48
And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.
The Gospel is God's word and the continuation of the Torah, which is God's word and law. Those who received the Gospel should adhere by what they've received from God, and those who don't are disobedient. The Quran is the continuation of the holy books sent by God to guide mankind. Once again, this refers to the orginal scriptures and teachings, not the altered and corrupted ones that will emerge and stray people from the right path.
http://quran.com/10/94-95
10:94
So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.
10:95
And never be of those who deny the signs of Allah and [thus] be among the losers.
This is a hypotehtical scenario that never happened since Muhammad (PBUH) never was in doubt of God's revelation. If he did, he'd have been among the losers. This is also similar to these verses:
6:86
And Ishmael and Elisha and Jonah and Lot - and all [of them] We preferred over the worlds.
6:87
And [some] among their fathers and their descendants and their brothers - and We chose them and We guided them to a straight path.
6:88
That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whomever He wills of His servants. But if they had associated others with Allah , then worthless for them would be whatever they were doing.
http://quran.com/6/86-88
Did these righteous prophets ever falter from God's message and worship? Of course not, which is the same with our prophet Muhammad (PBUH), it's a conditional IF that has never happened. And onc again the scriptures refers to the original and true message of God, not the man-altered concept of trinity and Christian beliefs that will follow.
You're entitled to your opinion and all that, but this thread and discussion had been very civil except for your posts. You're acting like a child lacking attention and you don't have any positive contribution to this thread.
Look @Quarterback ya'll, give him a hug, friends
I think thus far we have been civil. I've treated people with respect. These are hard but TRUE questions. I've dealt with questions for years but I have not lost patience when I'm asked the same question for the 3,000s time.
The issue still remains that in the Koran Allah said he gave the gospel. That is not in dispute.
Why then do people say the Bible has been corupted? I only use the KJV which is from the Textus Receptus which dates back to the 1st century. It is the most abundant document from that time period and back with over 5,000+ individual copies.
Even still by claiming the Bible is corrupted you are admitting that Allah can't keep his word preserved as he said it was revealed by himself.
The Koran CONFIRMS the Bible. This is not in dispute (as it is written in the Koran). Why do you then not believe the Bible?
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I.AM.PIFF said:
The Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John) were written within 18-60 years of Jesus' death by those who were witnesses to the events or, got their information from those who were witnesses to the events.
Muhammad died in 632 CE. The first biography (Siratul Rasu'allah) about him isn't written until 765 CE, 133 years later, by Ibn Ishaq. We don't have any of those writings and are dependent upon his student Ibn Isham's writings in 833 CE. 201 years later.
I believe that 18 - 60 years is less time than 133 - 201 years.
Jesus' 'disappearance'? The man was executed.
I.AM.PIFF said:
IDK what you mean by that term, but, no, what I'm saying is re-writing 'three-and-twenty' as 'twenty-three' isn't 'corruption'.
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the cac mamba
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ive been pleasantly surprised
its a serious topic that, like it or not, only one side can be right on if god does in fact take religious doctrine seriously
ive been pleasantly surprised
its a serious topic that, like it or not, only one side can be right on if god does in fact take religious doctrine seriously
That's what I'm saying. I'm not sure if people expected this to be a Blood bath or something but it's chill like ice in here.
Serious questions must be answered seriously.
Btw. The Koran confirms the Bible and the Bible confirms the Bible.
the cac mamba
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until you get to where jesus must be god/gods son, or he isnt? that was actually my original question, that one side HAS to be right on this
Which brings us back to square one as Allah said in the Koran he gave the gospel before Mohammed. So who is not telling the truth.
I wonder how many people are in hell like, "What religion are you in here for?"
There's no right or "wrong" religion. If you believe the wrong one, you go to hell. If you don't follow the rules to the T, you go to hell.
If you argue, or believe in the wrong God, you go to hell.
Skip the arguing, you're going to hell anyway.
There's no right or "wrong" religion. If you believe the wrong one, you go to hell. If you don't follow the rules to the T, you go to hell.
If you argue, or believe in the wrong God, you go to hell.
Skip the arguing, you're going to hell anyway.
The problem is everyone who is there knows exactly why. If God is absolute and true by not following Him is a rejection of Him. God will not force anyone into Heaven against their will.
There are only two choices. Those who say God, thy will be done and those to whom God says your will be done.
The Bible is full of contradictions, and hypocrisy. Don't even try that "Old Testament, New Testament" argument.
Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies and even the religious leaders could not catch him. If He did speak just one they could have trapped Him.
