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I understand why you think that but read his statement again...

"I have to put that same type of influence on my lil brothers, on the lil homies in the neighborhood," he said. "We tend to act in violence all the time, and that's just something we were brought up to do. Now that I'm more mature, I [can show] them other avenues to go about handling themselves: Being knowledgeable and jumping into a book rather than reaching for a pistol and reacting that way."

Who is "we"? Is it "we" as in immediate family? Neighbors? Classmates? Everyone in your entire neighborhood acts out violently? :jbhmm: He doesn't bother to differentiate between aggression vs self defense either... In fact, he's suggesting that his neighbors are innately aggressive. I hate to say it but there's a certain :mjpls: undertone to his statement as subtle as it may be.

He then goes on to say "now that I'm more mature, I can show them other avenues..." as if he himself was perpetuating violence once upon a time. He doesn't bother to specify whether he was acting in self defense or if he was reacting violently to one-up somebody who disrespected him. How is "jumping into a book" even relevant in a conversation about violence? If the kid is reaching for a pistol it's probably in reaction to one of his people dying... How is "jumping into a book" a commensurate response to losing somebody? It's a lazy statement that doesn't even address the issue he brought up of interrupting the cycle of violence. "Being knowledgeable" would be a great message in a conversation about preparing yourself to go to college but when you're talking about kids dealing with the raw pain and heartache that surrounds gun violence it's an empty statement that does not address the issue.
i'm taking the "we" as in young black males and/or the people in his environment. that's a common way of speaking. go back and forth from what "we" collectively do as a community and then go back to your personal feelings or actions.

as for violence or self defense, i think it's implied that he's talking about violence. sounds like you're being an apologist. that self defense excuse aint often the case for violence in our neighborhoods, and even when it is, it's in response to someone else who was simply being violent. let's be real, a lot of our communities got kids in situations where they see guns and the streets as a more viable option than getting an education/learning. it's not empty at all, he's at a place where he can help them better understand the multitudes of forces that got them where they're at (knowledge) which is found in books, inspiration and self worth can also be found in those books as opposed to venting their anger and frustration thru violence.
 

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You just have to be open, honest, vulnerable, and true to your own testimony."Deepness" isn't some intricate/artsy fartsy/complex concept.

It's the ability to share your perspective simply and clearly.The more clarity, the better.

A lot of MC's think hitting you with some shyt you have to unravel and decipher is deep.

But they're just a donkey with a few books on their back.An azz...Parroting a mumbo jumbo'd version of another man's perspective.

A collage of thoughts they fished out of some random text.

"Deep" to me is an internal thing.How deep you can dig down into your own being and generate original thought.Dipped in your own essence.

You're not really going to find it outside of yourself, parroting books.If you're true to yourself and blessed with a high comprehension,

you can definitely apply the knowledge you extract from books more originally/effectively than a superficially deep/surface person.

I'm a tough critic.I think the game is full of superficially deep rappers/mc's right now.Creative on the concepts, but the execution is anemic.



That's an example of true "deep" IMO^^^

No artsy fartsy concept/"intellectual"/"talking pretty" shyt for you to decipher.

Just a man sharing his own testimony...from the depths of his soul.

Most folks can't even find that spot within themselves.Too afraid of being that vulnerable.

Pac is the king of "deepness", tho



Simply sharing your human experience is the deepest shyt.It's something we all have to experience.Strongest form of connectivity.

It's not delusions of grandeur on a track...that's escapism.....Folks like to escape, tho


That's why a breh like Pac was GOAT and none of these rappers are close, because indeed he can show his emotions and make you FEEL it through his songs. From that point on, it doesn't even matter what he's rapping about becase whatever it is you're gonna feel it. Luckily he would often touch on deep subjects, indeed without no big words or concepts or whatever, just straight sharing HIM. I guess that's why I just can't appreciate Kendrick because it sounds damn near like the opposite, concepts over concepts, spoken word here, change of voice there, and in general either lack of or what seems like forced emotion to me (obviously it doesn't help that some pushed that whole Kendrick/Pac wack comparison :snoop:)

i view fake deep as someone with surface base captain obvious knowledge thinking they kicking some eye opening shyt

This too. Of course the more you are informed yourself the higher the risk of more stuff sounding fake deep.
 

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I guess that's why I just can't appreciate Kendrick because it sounds damn near like the opposite, concepts over concepts, spoken word here, change of voice there, and in general either lack of or what seems like forced emotion to me (obviously it doesn't help that some pushed that whole Kendrick/Pac wack comparison :snoop:)

Completely agree.
Kendrick has a horrible voice and always tries to be extra "artsy" and all that shyt while the music isnt listenable to me.
On the other hand the deeper songs pac made are just straight up, dope beats, you can feel him and the songs are enjoyable to listen to
 

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A track about moving work without any type of metaphor or lyrical prowess can be 100x deeper than any contrived track about whatever social issue: It's a matter of perspective.

Any music made from authentic real life under pressure experience is deep, no matter how un lyrical it might be, or how unrelatable it might be for some folk: Drill music is deep, pure pain

Thats why cats like kendrick cole chance badass and em might be mad talented but their music lack that "got it from the mud/back against the wall" factor, thats why they stuff dont reasonate with alotta dudes outside the internet maybe i am wrong i dont know em like that but they strike me as cats that were on the sideline, imo g herbo, payroll lil bibby durk meek and others are deserving of the same acclaim they get

Thats just my opinion tho

This prolly one of the deepest song i heard alotta cats would consider it bland tho

 

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I guess that's why I just can't appreciate Kendrick because it sounds damn near like the opposite, concepts over concepts, spoken word here, change of voice there, and in general either lack of or what seems like forced emotion to me (obviously it doesn't help that some pushed that whole Kendrick/Pac wack comparison :snoop:).

Spot on.
 

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i'm taking the "we" as in young black males and/or the people in his environment. that's a common way of speaking. go back and forth from what "we" collectively do as a community and then go back to your personal feelings or actions.

as for violence or self defense, i think it's implied that he's talking about violence. sounds like you're being an apologist. that self defense excuse aint often the case for violence in our neighborhoods, and even when it is, it's in response to someone else who was simply being violent. let's be real, a lot of our communities got kids in situations where they see guns and the streets as a more viable option than getting an education/learning. it's not empty at all, he's at a place where he can help them better understand the multitudes of forces that got them where they're at (knowledge) which is found in books, inspiration and self worth can also be found in those books as opposed to venting their anger and frustration thru violence.

The lack of self esteem, worth, awareness, etc. is a huge part of the issue. I agree with you 100% on that.

My point is that if Kendrick's stance is that the lil homies need to be reeducated, it's lazy to suggest that sufficient reeducation is in that specific situation is about picking up a book. You can be a bookworm AND keep a pistol/switchblade on you every day just to feel safe walking to school if your circumstances result in that.

Reeducation for the lil homies has a lot more to do with mental health than it does with book learning.
 

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Fake-deep is a phrase.

You know what it means.

We see you trying to change the terms instead of debate the core topic. :KhaledUSmart:


Unless you "rap fans" :sas2: can't interpret slang and colloquialisms :mjpls:

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Deep is delving further into a topic further then average person knows to go so Fake Deep is when your Trying to be Deep on a topic but your having surface level discussions about said topic. it varies from topic to topic...

its like if I'm a rapper and constantly make songs about the government being corrupt but I don't give you any facts, names, dates, explanations or compelling arguments or solutions just say ''THE GOV OUT TO GET US ILLUMINANTI!!'' :CrazyCass:Without Giving You Details and being extremely Vague While I'm At It

I'm just mentioning surface level stuff to give the gullible listener the impression I'm saying something SOOOO profound when I'm not :mjgrin:
kanye does this alot :mjgrin:

And Hopsin Does too :scust:


I mean lol. Its kinda like when people yell out ''RACISM!!'' ''SYSTEMITIC RACISM!!!'' :CrazyCass:

Which does exist, But you Can't Break Down or Explain The System or how it works :NahSon:
 
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Joey Badass fits the definition to me...not that he's a bad kid. He just sounds so "surface" to me...surface "dope bars" rapper. An entry-level conscious lyricist with some light ass rap patterns for somebody in 2017. His rhyme structure...content, etc. He can rap, it's just all aight to me. Even the depth.
 

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Joey Badass fits the definition to me...not that he's a bad kid. He just sounds so "surface" to me...surface "dope bars" rapper. An entry-level conscious lyricist with some light ass rap patterns for somebody in 2017. His rhyme structure...content, etc. He can rap, it's just all aight to me. Even the depth.

I've never been impressed by Joey Badass tbr
 

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From less of a "oh bad cops are bad" stance.

fukk The Police came from a real place.

This song doesn't:




For it to be referenced in a more skillful way than merely stating it.



When artists lazily mention the new social issue of the moment to score streams.



Writing well is a skill.

Thats why some artists don't have it.

You're asking for the cheat code.

Go listen to Lupe do it.

Then listen to Kendrick do it.


Lupe does it better. KRIT does it better. GIBBS does it better. Even Sean does it better.

Oh okay


So you mean like when drake said

Cops are killing people with their arms up
And your main focus is tryna harm us?

On charged up that was fake deep right?
 
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