Can someone explain "fake deep" to me

[dora_da_destroyer]

The lack of self esteem, worth, awareness, etc. is a huge part of the issue. I agree with you 100% on that.

My point is that if Kendrick's stance is that the lil homies need to be reeducated, it's lazy to suggest that sufficient reeducation is in that specific situation is about picking up a book. You can be a bookworm AND keep a pistol/switchblade on you every day just to feel safe walking to school if your circumstances result in that.

Reeducation for the lil homies has a lot more to do with mental health than it does with book learning.

he gave one example of an alternative. i haven't read the whole interview so i don't know if it would fit for him to outline a whole 10-point plan, but i don't know many people who add 17 alternatives to an "i can show them x instead y" statement.

and the bolded is exactly the mentality he wants to break. you're not keeping that on you in compton because you fear bears or a rapist, you're keeping it on you in response to the "anything can pop off" mentality of the hood, because some other dude with a lack of respect for life may roll up on you. people need to get over that "ready for whatever" mentality when it comes to dealing with each other, that needs to be the stance to outsiders...our oppressors.

 

[The Plug]

Oh okay


So you mean like when drake said

Cops are killing people with their arms up
And your main focus is tryna harm us?

On charged up that was fake deep right?

I am quite curious though why @4d 6f 6e 65 79 is always quick to bring up Kendrick in threads. By his logic, this lyric by Drake is fake deep.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

I am quite curious though why @4d 6f 6e 65 79 is always quick to bring up Kendrick in threads. By his logic, this lyric by Drake is pretentious.

I bet if you dig you'll find him praising it somewhere

 

[Biscayne]

touching on "real issues" isn't enough though.

Because most artists aren't that smart and aren't educated enough to do so skillfully so it sounds like hot trash when they do it.

Example here:



Its just contrived bullshyt to sell a message with a beat underneath it.

If you want real issues being discussed, I say go read a book or go to a lecture.

Artists that focus on making music touch on "real issues"

Thats why This song is climbing up the charts...its a REAL emotion about a real social interaction. Despair, depression, growth, relationships, etc.



Its not TRYING to do something. Its why some songs for the ladies work and some songs don't.

You can't fake that shyt with social issues. And people can tell.

People have no problem with socially conscious music...they have a problem with BAD music.

Its the same reason Jesus Walks is a classic...(and I'm an atheist)

That lil uzi vert song is awesome. But it can easily be defined as fake deep.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Deep is delving further into a topic further then average person knows to go so Fake Deep is when your Trying to be Deep on a topic but your having surface level discussions about said topic. it varies from topic to topic...

its like if I'm a rapper and constantly make songs about the government being corrupt but I don't give you any facts, names, dates, explanations or compelling arguments or solutions just say ''THE GOV OUT TO GET US ILLUMINANTI!!'' :CrazyCass:Without Giving You Details and being extremely Vague While I'm At It

I'm just mentioning surface level stuff to give the gullible listener the impression I'm saying something SOOOO profound when I'm not
kanye does this alot

And Hopsin Does too


I mean lol. Its kinda like when people yell out ''RACISM!!'' ''SYSTEMITIC RACISM!!!'' :CrazyCass:

Which does exist, But you Can't Break Down or Explain The System or how it works :NahSon:

many songs aint one dimensional tho...does it matter than only 4 bars are spent on the prison industrial complex if the rapper got 4 other subjects he wants to get to? even if he spend the whole 3:30 on that topic that's still not enough time for such a big topic, someone is always gonna yell "surface!!"

that's why "fake deep" shouldn't be used, it inherently limits the topics people are allowed to talk about. why is it being "fake deep" as opposed to simply discussing/mentioning a real ass problem, their feelings/thoughts on it and moving on?

 

[Goodbye World]

lyric by Drake

 

[John Hull]

Louisville Slugga got deeper bars than Kendrick!

 

[Real N Quotes]

I always see this thrown out about dudes like kendrick, lupe, joey badass, sometime cole – basically anyone coined as creating songs "with meaning" or "depth" yet i never see anyone explain what makes them fake deep nor does anyone offer examples of who/what is "real deep"

Can someone post some examples of "fake deep" verses vs. "real deep" verses for me? Can I get the coli official list of "fake deep" artists and "real deep" artists?

Most people by nature are just haters breh. Don't pay them any mind.

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

Fake deep to me are artists who delve into concious issues seemingly for a check/to ride a wave.It has nothing to do with the depth an artist can go into a topic ,that's some elitist bullshyt that fake woke nikkas parrot


It be those same nikkas championing bullshyt like "Nature of the Threat" as some musical masterpiece when it's really just some nikka rambling for 8 minutes spitting half-truths for the most part

 

[Insensitive]

I always see this thrown out about dudes like kendrick, lupe, joey badass, sometime cole – basically anyone coined as creating songs "with meaning" or "depth" yet i never see anyone explain what makes them fake deep nor does anyone offer examples of who/what is "real deep"

Can someone post some examples of "fake deep" verses vs. "real deep" verses for me? Can I get the coli official list of "fake deep" artists and "real deep" artists?

I think "fake depth" is attributed typically to artists that are psuedo revolutionary and/or
aren't really learned on topics they're trying to speak on.

It's how dudes like Joey BadAss or Lupe Fiasco wind up looking like idiots when
they're trotted out to speak on certain topics vs. say Immortal Technique or Chuck D or Talib Kweli

Faux Depth is a real thing however I do feel it is at times is used wrongly on TheColi.

 

[Brainchild]

This fool Immortal Technique trying to shoehorn genetic engineered diseases, acid rain, Mary Magdalyne, and like 18 other conspiracy theories into one track

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

A track about moving work without any type of metaphor or lyrical prowess can be 100x deeper than any contrived track about whatever social issue: It's a matter of perspective.

Any music made from authentic real life under pressure experience is deep, no matter how un lyrical it might be, or how unrelatable it might be for some folk: Drill music is deep, pure pain

Thats why cats like kendrick cole chance badass and em might be mad talented but their music lack that "got it from the mud/back against the wall" factor, thats why they stuff dont reasonate with alotta dudes outside the internet maybe i am wrong i dont know em like that but they strike me as cats that were on the sideline, imo g herbo, payroll lil bibby durk meek and others are deserving of the same acclaim they get

Thats just my opinion tho

This prolly one of the deepest song i heard alotta cats would consider it bland tho

Yep....A track like this

Hit me harder than any of that smartsy fartsy shyt

Straight out them cotton fields.

Niccaz call Boosie ignorant and clown on his voice, but he got that "negro spiritual" evocation in his music.


Very few rappers can capture that element.

Juve is another dude that had it IMO



When everybody was celebrating DMX barking like a dog and doing prayer skits...Praising him for "bringing the streets back"


I was like nah, that's Juvey.....That organic shyt...no polish

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I think "fake depth" is attributed typically to artists that are psuedo revolutionary and/or
aren't really learned on topics they're trying to speak on.

It's how dudes like Joey BadAss or Lupe Fiasco wind up looking like idiots when
they're trotted out to speak on certain topics vs. say Immortal Technique or Chuck D or Talib Kweli

Faux Depth is a real thing however I do feel it is at times is used wrongly on TheColi.

this thread has labeled them fake deep and smart dumb nikkas...basically i've ascertained from this thread that everyone should be called fake deep unless they have a phd on every subject that comes out their mouth.

 

[Grizzly]

"man look at this fake deep ass nikka! takin his craft seriously and shyt!"

 

[Lýba'rhaésheýun]

many songs aint one dimensional tho...does it matter than only 4 bars are spent on the prison industrial complex if the rapper got 4 other subjects he wants to get to? even if he spend the whole 3:30 on that topic that's still not enough time for such a big topic, someone is always gonna yell "surface!!"

that's why "fake deep" shouldn't be used, it inherently limits the topics people are allowed to talk about. why is it being "fake deep" as opposed to simply discussing/mentioning a real ass problem, their feelings/thoughts on it and moving on?

Every song isn't meant to be deep and it doesn't have to be. and if its a song talking about multiple Subjects ok thats fine but like I said in my original post if a rapper insists on lingering around a specific subject all the time he should at least go in depth with it especially if the song is about one subject. Immortal technique, Lupe Fiasco, Lowkey, K Rino & Locksmith do that beautifully.

''Fake Deep'' Can't Be used in every situation but I do believe it perfectly describes some rappers & even some speakers perfectly.