Can We Admit, Jamis Winston has been a Disappointment?

[lutha]

So in other words Jameis gets a pass from you on his play because everybody else is to blame for his mediocrity before he is

Look at his stats, how is on pace for a good year? 3rd most INTs is a good year? 25th in passer rating? 28th in completion percentage? That's on pace for a good year to you?

even though i dont think he's been mediocre, yea he gets a pass...they lack talent, with an unproven coach...he's been turning chicken shyt into chicken salad so far...

i have looked at his stats....and yea, he's on pace for a good year....he's on pace for just as good, if not better than last year, which was a good year....

 

[AVXL]

it was criticized compared to what he had done in he past, which was some great level play...not just cause people thought he was mediocre like you doing jameis now...and even then, people still put blame on the coaches, people getting hurt, no run game, bad def, etc. as to why arod's numbers didnt compare to previous numbers...ex: last year without jordy, people said he didnt have a good wr, that helped explain the 'down' year by his standards....

The point is that ARod's collective play got judged. Everything got critiqued and put under the microscope but most of all, his play was called out. You've already said you flat out won't criticize Jameis until everything else around him meets your standard so why are we even having the discussion? You can be as subjective as you want and always blame coaching or players being hurt as the reason why he's not playing well

no need to make shyt up....schabb replaced vick in 2 games...in those 2 games, the team lost them both and he had around a 1 to 1 ratio for td/int....the talk for why the team didnt win with him in those 2 games was cause lack of talent around him, not cause of him....hence the trade to houston cause they thought he was gonna be good with talent around him...anyway, when vick came back in, the lack of talent talk stopped and the blame was all on vick.

Here you go rewriting history. There was always talk about getting Mike more WR help, but he also needed to be a better QB in the pocket, something he never committed to in Atlanta.

no, it's still excuses...if you have a unique talent, you find players that work with him to take advantage of his skills...you dont just say 'well, it's hard for them to catch his passes cause they not traditional'....

He wasn't a typical QB, a left handed QB is rare in the NFL. Rarer still for a QB to be as athletic and mobile and have such a strong arm. Vick did need more WR help and never got it. But this is a moot point. This thread is about Jameis Winston

look at what i quoted from you..the last sentence says 'And I'm not saying Jameis doesn't deserve the time to get better because he does, but he hasn't been a great QB yet'....so you were expecting him to play great in 2 years on a bad team...since he hasnt, he's mediocre, got you....

I never had any expectations of Jameis. He hasn't been a good QB, statistically or based on the eye test. But like I said earlier what are we even arguing? You don't think it's fair to judge him and you already said until he has an entirely healthy and talented team and better play calling that you won't ever judge him so what are we debating. Its everybody else's fault except Jameis, gotcha

 

[jwonder]

Matt's overrated now?

He's always been a top 10 level QB...last year he fell off slightly but he's back where he needs to be

at the Falcons having more talent during Matt's two years than Jameis. Y'all excuse making and straight up lying is elite

The fact you dikk ride an average qb like Matt Ryan proves that I can't take you seriously. What has he done so great.
If they switched teams right now. Jamies would take them farther and he is only in his second year.

 

[AVXL]

The fact you dikk ride an average qb like Matt Ryan proves that I can't take you seriously. What has he done so great.
If they switched teams right now. Jamies would take them farther and he is only in his second year.

So because Matt is the QB of my favorite team I can't have an opinion on other teams QBs?










whatever you say brother

 

[jwonder]

So because Matt is the QB of my favorite team I can't have an opinion on other teams QBs?










whatever you say brother

Shut up cac. Ryan ain't great and neither are the falcons. They win a few games and the fans start coming out. They always disappear when ATL chokes like they always do.

 

[AVXL]

Shut up cac. Ryan ain't great and neither are the falcons. They win a few games and the fans start coming out. They always disappear when ATL chokes like they always do.

Yep you're right

 

[lutha]

The point is that ARod's collective play got judged. Everything got critiqued and put under the microscope but most of all, his play was called out. You've already said you flat out won't criticize Jameis until everything else around him meets your standard so why are we even having the discussion? You can be as subjective as you want and always blame coaching or players being hurt as the reason why he's not playing well

Here you go rewriting history. There was always talk about getting Mike more WR help, but he also needed to be a better QB in the pocket, something he never committed to in Atlanta.

He wasn't a typical QB, a left handed QB is rare in the NFL. Rarer still for a QB to be as athletic and mobile and have such a strong arm. Vick did need more WR help and never got it. But this is a moot point. This thread is about Jameis Winston

I never had any expectations of Jameis. He hasn't been a good QB, statistically or based on the eye test. But like I said earlier what are we even arguing? You don't think it's fair to judge him and you already said until he has an entirely healthy and talented team and better play calling that you won't ever judge him so what are we debating. Its everybody else's fault except Jameis, gotcha

has nothing to do with meeting my standard...just pointing out how i dont agree that you can call him mediocre/a disappointment when you see what he's working with team/coaching wise....and i can say the same for you cause you're willing to ignore how bad the team is just to say he's mediocre....

first i was making shyt up, when i proved i wasnt, now i'm rewriting history...lol ok.....yea, there was always talk about getting him help, but it never happened....it stayed just that: talk, no moves were made...and i said he needed to work on things, but just like you pass by the lack of talent for jameis, so did everyone for vick...when they didnt win, he was the reason....and that's how it seems to go for black qbs, unlike their white counterparts....but like you said, it's a moot point...i was making a more general point just using jameis as an example...to continue on...

how can you say you didnt have expectations for him, but then say he hasnt played great so he's been mediocre?....that makes no sense....that means you thought he was supposed to be playing up to some level of yours he hasnt meet....and naw, i never said that...in fact, in this thread, i said there are things he needs to work on, i just wont call him a disappointment nor mediocre like you and others are doing, cause to me, he hasnt been....also, didnt know we were arguing, thought we were just having a discussion with different view points....

 

[STAN JONES]

The Bucs aren't a good team amd firing Lovie was stupid

Jameis is good and will get better as they add pieces around him

I been saying they need to add WRs who can separate because Jameis biggest strength is being able to see a route before it happens and throwing the receiver open

You cant really do that too much with guys who cant separate

I like Evan buts hes a downfield jump ball WR,they need route runners with quickness

They also need to improve that line and find a RB who can stay healthy

 

[STAN JONES]

dudes got one of the worst mechanics ive ever seen, how you in your mid 20's and throwing ducks.

That comes from these coaches trying to change his throwing motion

He need to just do what works for him(like Rivers did) because you're right...he throws one of the ugliest balls ive ever seen

 

[jwonder]

The Bucs aren't a good team amd firing Lovie was stupid

Jameis is good and will get better as they add pieces around him

I been saying they need to add WRs who can separate because Jameis biggest strength is being able to see a route before it happens and throwing the receiver open

You cant really do that too much with guys who cant separate

I like Evan buts hes a downfield jump ball WR,they need route runners with quickness

They also need to improve that line and find a RB who can stay healthy

RB and Wr is a must. Don't let them get Dalvin Cook. That will take some pressure off of Jameis.

They really need to work on the defense. They can't stop anybody.

But all this doesn't matter. Jameis is mediocre. smh

 

[NoHalfWay]

dudes got one of the worst mechanics ive ever seen, how you in your mid 20's and throwing ducks.

Mid 20's? Jameis is 22 years old. STILL the youngest QB in the league...

 

[NoHalfWay]

Have one of the GOAT rookie seasons, offensive rookie of the year (Gurly snubbed him) pro-bowler, then only be halfway through your 2nd season and have people call you a bust, brehs

 

[AVXL]

has nothing to do with meeting my standard...just pointing out how i dont agree that you can call him mediocre/a disappointment when you see what he's working with team/coaching wise....and i can say the same for you cause you're willing to ignore how bad the team is just to say he's mediocre....

And you don't want to examine his individual play at all. You're much more comfortable blaming everybody else for not being great. I've already acknowledged numerous times that he doesn't have a great team, maybe not even a good team. But Jameis hasn't held up his end of the bargain either and statistically and looking at his in game decision making he's been average. That's not the end of the world for a QB in the middle of his second yr, but the expectations were/are a lot higher for him based on what he's supposed to be

first i was making shyt up, when i proved i wasnt, now i'm rewriting history...lol ok.....yea, there was always talk about getting him help, but it never happened....it stayed just that: talk, no moves were made...and i said he needed to work on things, but just like you pass by the lack of talent for jameis, so did everyone for vick...when they didnt win, he was the reason....and that's how it seems to go for black qbs, unlike their white counterparts....but like you said, it's a moot point...i was making a more general point just using jameis as an example...to continue on...

You were making up shyt. You made it seem like the Vick/Schaub thing was a worthy talking point but it was over two meaningless regular season games. It's irrelevant to how Jameis Winston is playing in Tampa Bay in 2016

how can you say you didnt have expectations for him, but then say he hasnt played great so he's been mediocre?....that makes no sense....that means you thought he was supposed to be playing up to some level of yours he hasnt meet....and naw, i never said that...in fact, in this thread, i said there are things he needs to work on, i just wont call him a disappointment nor mediocre like you and others are doing, cause to me, he hasnt been....also, didnt know we were arguing, thought we were just having a discussion with different view points....

I'm not a Bucs fan so I don't have personal expectations for Jameis. As a highly talented, highly touted #1 overall pick I would expect him to be further along than where he is now. When Jameis was putting up big numbers in the same offense last year, he got nothing but praise, but he's not playing as well and you and others are unwilling to call him on it. When you're 25th or 28th in something in a league with 32 starting QBs that isn't good or trending to be good. He should be better than that based on his play. It's not always everybody else's fault when he doesn't play well

But it's clear we have a difference of opinion on how to judge him that's why I said what are we arguing/debating. You don't judge him the way I do and that's cool, I do think he's been mediocre but as others have said it's still very early in his career but I don't think it's too early to give an assessment of his play so far

 

[acbjr22]

That comes from these coaches trying to change his throwing motion

He need to just do what works for him(like Rivers did) because you're right...he throws one of the ugliest balls ive ever seen

actually that's not because of his throwing motion. It's actually because of his finger. He'll never throw perfect spirals and everyone has known that since his freshman year of college.

Odd story from ESPN's Tom Luginbill today: When Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston was a kid, he was dunking a basketball when his ring finger got caught between the net and the rim and separated at the knuckle. To this day, it's pretty funky looking:

Apparently it affects his grip and adds a bit of wobble to his passes, but, clearly, he's figured things out.

Meet Jameis Winston's crooked finger

 

[NYC Rebel]

Dudes really forcing that disappointment angle.