Can we hold back the hate for one thread and talk Harden's supporting cast?

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You're absolutely clueless.
Prove I'm clueless. Prove what I said wrong instead of using smileys and just saying shyt

Prove to me and the whole board that I'm wrong about Harden's defense with numbers and video evidence. Prove to me that I'm wrong about Ariza's defense. Prove it
 

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Seems like Harden is the biggest target for this seasons underwhelming play of the Rockets. (He does deserve some) But yo, look at his team :dahell:.

Our second option is goddamm Trevor Ariza. Ariza is my dude but he should never be the second option on a contender.

Our third option is Beverly. Beverly has been clutch for us and I appreciate his game but come on man.

Then we have D12, who really can't score around the basket period. He's not a good passer either so really all he can do is catch lobs on pnrs, and hold down the paint of the defensive end. Which isn't elite anymore either.

Honestly, Kobe wasn't catching heat for that 2012 season and really what's the difference? Actually I'd argue Kobe had a better squad, because atleast he had another great player in Pau. Kobe had one of his best seasons and barely got the 8th seed. Why? Bad coaching, and that roster was trash, like the rockets this year. Dwight wasn't Dwight anymore since he bounced from the Magic. Kobe is one the goats, don't get me wrong. But it's undeniable that this Rockets team is talent deficient.

Every other contender has multiple elite players. We overachieved like hell last season and yeah I still think Harden deserved MVP, regardless of the fact Curry was and is a batter baller. nikka we had Tarik black and old ass Terry starting for us half the season. I still can't believe last year happened.

Anyway Harden has been on a tear for the past month + and this team is still trash. Harden even stepped up defensively. So I had to let yall know what the deal is.
No we can't :pacspit:

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Prove I'm clueless. Prove what I said wrong instead of using smileys and just saying shyt

Prove to me and the whole board that I'm wrong about Harden's defense with numbers and video evidence. Prove to me that I'm wrong about Ariza's defense. Prove it
There's nothing to prove because your casual fan talking points about who and what the players are currently, is so far removed from reality that it's hilarious that you had the nerve to act like you knew what you were talking about in the first place.

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I swear, Harden and the Rockets are the only team that can't be discussed rationally on here. Even with the massive Bron hate, there still is legitimate Cavs discussions. These dudes go straight to their youtube trolling persona as soon as a nikka mentions Harden. :francis:
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Despite me not being too fond of Harden, as I'm sure it comes as no surprise to you - you're spot on in the OP. Despite his inconsistent effort on both sides of the ball, lackadaisical play and just his general inability to really drive this team, he's most certainly been in a tough spot with how bad his support has been performing this season. Which really all goes back to how bad the makeup of this team is; Harden's flaws aside, this team's saving grace was their defense which carried them last season despite inconsistent outings on offense - their defense would generally always be on point - which I generally put down to McHale (but that's another argument altogether). Harden's always had to deal with more ball duties/offensive load than most other star players, and the fact that Morey didn't replace Lin/Parsons with a secondary ball-handler (or more specifically failed attempts at replacing them) to help him has only compounded the issues which have been bubbling underneath the surface since acquiring Harden.

Harden's just been surrounded with defensive role players (who are no longer that great defensively) who are inconsistent shooters - which in part is unfair to him because he's not really the issue here. The issue is that Morey hasn't provided the right personnel/talent to execute whatever the fukk he thinks is conducive to winning basketball games.
 
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The bench is trash because there is literally no sense of rhythm unless Harden is pounding the fukk out of the ball. What cohesion is any team supposed to have when one guy has over 450 isos before March?

Anyone explain that. Please. Even AI wasn't as ball dominant. Basketball is all about synergy and Houston hasn't had any for 3 years, eventually, like this year, its gonna implode. And like all true 2 way sports, what happens on one side reflects on the other. In Houston's case, on top of being analytic leaning to a fault, all those threes put an insane amount of pressure on their transition D - and you can't win shyt in the NBA now if you aren't set before an opposing offense is.
That's another issue as well, and I mean that definitely has an effect on how the rest of the team plays. With that said, they aren't talented enough offensively for Harden not to play the way he does. Sure he does overdo it at times when dominating the ball; not allowing his teammates to develop rhythm, but I see that more as a survival instinct, rather than him holding them back from what they can do. Because even with more reps/touches, they're still not intrinsically competent enough offensively to win games. Far too many of them can only do one or two things well on the offensive end (which again, they're generally inconsistent at), add in the fact they don't have any mentally strong, stable players to fall back on and this is what you get it.
 

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That's another issue as well, and I mean that definitely has an effect on how the rest of the team plays. With that said, they aren't talented enough offensively for Harden not to play the way he does. Sure he does overdo it at times when dominating the ball; not allowing his teammates to develop rhythm, but I see that more as a survival instinct, rather than him holding them back from what they can do. Because even with more reps/touches, they're still not intrinsically competent enough offensively to win games. Far too many of them can only do one or two things well on the offensive end (which again, they're generally inconsistent at), add in the fact they don't have any mentally strong, stable players to fall back on and this is what you get it.
He's pushing the roster moves too, its in the open now.

Dude doesn't want a real PG nor a coach to hold him accountable.
 

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Leave KD and Westbrook only to now demand better teammates brehs.

Ok that ain't a completely fair statement.......




















But that's how I will see it :sas2:
 

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Despite me not being too fond of Harden, as I'm sure it comes as no surprise to you - you're spot on in the OP. Despite his inconsistent effort on both sides of the ball, lackadaisical play and just his general inability to really drive this team, he's most certainly been in a tough spot with how bad his support has been performing this season. Which really all goes back to how bad the makeup of this team is; Harden's flaws aside, this team's saving grace was their defense which carried them last season despite inconsistent outings on offense - their defense would generally always be on point - which I generally put down to McHale (but that's another argument altogether). Harden's always had to deal with more ball duties/offensive load than most other star players, and the fact that Morey didn't replace Lin/Parsons with a secondary ball-handler (or more specifically failed attempts at replacing them) to help him has only compounded the issues which have been bubbling underneath the surface since acquiring Harden.

Harden's just been surrounded with defensive role players (who are no longer that great defensively) who are inconsistent shooters - which in part is unfair to him because he's not really the issue here. The issue is that Morey hasn't provided the right personnel/talent to execute whatever the fukk he thinks is conducive to winning basketball games.

Rockets fans don't wanna hear this, and I didn't either before, but Morey deserves major blame for this season. I wouldn't fire him or any overreactionary shyt like that, but he needs to change his philosophy this off season. Morey gets shyt done, just needs to get the right shyt done.
 
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Rockets fans don't wanna hear this, and I didn't either before, but Morey deserves major blame for this season. I wouldn't fire him or any overreactionary shyt like that, but he needs to change his philosophy this off season. Morey gets shyt done, just needs to get the right shyt done.
I mean if we put aside the general nature of bidding for players (e.g. Bosh turning down Morey to stay in Miami), and how that can put GMs in a position of resorting to plan B-Z - but if you're hoping for Morey to change his philosophy - he's not going to. He is what he is.. He's been that position since '07, and it's been a 'one step forward, two steps back' snake oil salesman re-run ever since. There would be nothing "overreactionary" about getting rid of him - he's basically had 10 years.

A change needs to be made.
 
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