Canelo-Jacobs May 4th on DAZN

[NormanConnors]

This Version of Canelo beats Lara in a more dominate fashion.

shyt, have Andrade fight Lara and the winner gets Canelo

Lara was robbed/didn't lose that fight

 

[Stinky Diver]

Well Oscar brought up Smith, Sergay Kov again the the press conference.

Kovalev is all sorts of wrong for Canelo IMO. A big puncher who has an A+ jab with power...Nah, he’s not banging with light heavyweights like that.

 

[R=G]

 

[patscorpio]

Juan Manuel Marquez: I Had 115-113 - Jacobs Beating Canelo!

By Miguel Rivera

On Saturday night, retired former four division world champion Juan Manuel Marquez was working ringside in Las Vegas, and watched his countryman Saul "Canelo" Alvarez win a twelve round unanimous decision over Daniel Jacobs to unify the WBC, WBA, IBF middleweight titles at the T-Mobile Arena.

The official judges scored it 115-113, 116-112 and 115-113.

The majority of the contest was a chess match, with each boxer being very careful with their punch selection - and some rounds were only separated by one or two punches.

Jacobs came on in the late rounds, but many felt it may have been way too late to overcome early lead that Canelo built up when he piled up the points in the first half of the contest.

Marquez was not in agreement with the judges, and scored the contest in favor of Jacobs by a margin of seven rounds to five.

Marquez felt Canelo got tired in the second half of the contest and lost some of his speed as the bout played out, which allowed Jacobs to come roaring back with a late rally.

"It was a very close fight, the kind of fight where at the end of each of the rounds it could go to either way," Marquez said. "Jacobs handled the lateral steps well, changing his guard. It's the kind of fight that could have gone either way, but I saw it 115-113 for the American fighter."

Marquez and Canelo have traded words in the past, on more than one occasion. Canelo believes that certain Mexican stars of years past are a bit jealous of his in-ring success and financial rewards.

 

[R=G]

Andrade (27-0, 17 KO) returns to the ring on June 29 to face Maciej Sulecki in his second title defense.

“I’ve got Sulecki next, he’s a guy that fought Danny Jacobs, another top guy. I get him out of the way and Canelo should be the guy,” he said.

Asked how he would combat Alvarez, Andrade didn’t give too much away.

“Just be me and don’t get too caught up with what’s going on,” he stated. “One thing I will do is put my jab in his face all night.”

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Too much piss in his water!

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Too much piss in his water.

 

[patscorpio]

2019 is turning into the WOAT for boxing.

this article on bad left hook kinda summed things up about this fight

Canelo vs Jacobs: Five big takeaways from the fight and where boxing stands

Maybe boxing didn’t NEED a great fight, but it badly could have used one, and we didn’t get it on Saturday.
By Michael Woods May 5, 2019, 7:32pm EDTSHARE

Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images
I’m not saying boxing needed a thriller last night in that hyped middleweight main event at T-Mobile in Las Vegas. But I’ve seen and heard a level of demoralization, of dissatisfaction, with the sport as a whole from fans and media in the last few months.

Wilder vs Fury was not a barnburner, but was saved by that late inning knockdown and resurrection move by Fury. But goodwill from that was semi-wrecked, with the it-makes-too-much-sense-not-to-do-it rematch yanked off the table last minute.

Then you had the Pacquiao vs Broner clash, also PPV, which got skunked by Broner’s weak effort. Expectations were not met, by and large. And then Errol Spence proved to be too much man for Mikey Garcia, who won but a couple 60 second spans over the course of 12 lopsided rounds. And again, high expectations were dashed.

Then Amir Khan spurned the unspoken contract that supposed high-level pugilists sign: to give their very best effort, to go above and beyond, and show a larger reservoir of courage than us mere mortals are capable of. Expectations set, then dashed. December, January, March, April and now to May, tables were set for feasts, and then they brought out fast food fare.

One hoped and thought it possible, when you heard the hype, that Danny Jacobs would rise to the occasion and be the very best version of himself, maybe even a tick better than he thought possible, because fate decreed it. Beat cancer, came up the tiniest bit short against bogeyman Gennadiy Golovkin a couple years ago. Now was the time that the story would be culminating in a proper climax, that majestic chapter of glorious triumph. Beating cancer, and now Canelo — never ran, never will, from Brownsville, Brooklyn, a Hall of Fame-level outing. The table was set.

But the gala didn’t go as that best laid plan — the one you wanted, almost needed as a fan to rinse the bad taste from the diet boxing has put out for you of late. PED positives, political gulfs making Spence vs Crawford — a no-brainer, best vs the best battle that would again give us a chance to give the masses a thriller that would snag some casuals who watch into becoming die-hards — a no-chancer.

We kinda-sorta-almost-definitely needed a classic. But hey, at the least guys got paid real, real good.

Here are top takeaways from the May 4 Canelo vs Jacobs tango in Vegas.

Photo by Al Bello/Getty Images
1) HO HUM
My 12-year-old daughter stayed up way too late to watch. And rounds passed, and she had the same reaction as the majority in that arena did. She watched, and she paid attention. But she hoped for that lift-off, those moments when — you know what it looks like — caution goes into the wind and they trade, and for 10 seconds, we are lost in the blur of that structured violence, when anything can happen and it damn well probably will. There was what, two of those moments over 12 rounds? Not a classic, my 12-year-old said in saltier terms.

2) NOT SPONSORED BY SHARPER IMAGE
I watched at the home office, with Mitch Abramson, ex-Daily News and RING, and Dr. Johnny Lops, as knowledgable a fan as you’ll see. And we saw from the get-go, Jacobs wasn’t on. Not too crisp. Looked big but where was the snap? And Canelo, I realized, wasn’t going to look the same against Danny as he did Rocky Fielding. I know, I know; “Wake up, Woods.” Fielding is two steps down from Danny. But the ripping and strafing we saw versus Fielding, we didn’t get that from the Mexican so much on May 4.

And but of course, there are reasons for that. Jacobs fought smart from a defensive standpoint, especially when he went lefty. Canelo didn’t at all really have copious answers for that. But his own offense as a lefty isn’t as smooth as when he’s a righty, so the Brooklyner sacrificed some O for better D, and that wasn’t going to win him the scrap. We at home wondered if Canelo’s knee was hurting. Nope, a Golden Boy source told me after they didn’t hear anything about that.

3) THE HAYMON ERA
We are smack dab in the middle of it, and it’s a mixed bag. For the long-term outlooks for many of these fighters, this will be seen as a golden era. Great purses and fewer outings, so less head trauma. Down the line prospects will be better.

But there is that other side. Boxers are fighting smarter, not harder now, oftentimes. Risk-reward ratios have been reconsidered. And most boxers now are not willing to give as much of themselves to the sport. And you have to respect those folks for their stance. But the sport as a whole will have a hard time flourishing if that is the norm.

In the last five years, we have not grown the eyeball pool. The ratings tell you this. We see numbers under 300,000 for name fighters. And yes, that can partly be attributed to entertainment market saturation. So many options means most everyone’s numbers are down from 10 years ago. But on Saturday night, once again, we didn’t snag new casuals. No one watched that, if they were giving boxing a chance, and said, “Oh yes, you got me, I get it, now I know why the sport has diehard fans.”

And yes, for the greater good of the sport as a whole, long-term, that is what we want. But the sort of fights that are deemed “fan-friendly” are not ones that as many boxers want to engage in these days. Did you see this Tweet from Hall of Famer Russell Peltz?


https://twitter.com/PeltzBoxing/status/1124910845132193799
He’s been to all the rodeos since the 1960s and he can lay out in excruciating detail the change in the sport and the mindsets of many of the participants. And he makes it clear where he stands. But if platformers are willing to pay $10 million or $35 million for main eventers, and these guys can get those checks without going Gatti, then credit to them for having the cake and eating it, too, and getting some to take home for the fam, as well. It’s complicated, isn’t it?

4) SORRY, BUT I’M NOT SORRY
I’m “just” a media guy, but I stand by my oft repeated refrain I share on Facebook FightNight Live. The guy not seen as the “hometown” guy, the out-of-towner, the non-golden goose, he (or she) comes to the arena two points down. That is a fact of life, time has proven that out.

We talked with Jacobs trainer Andre Rozier the week before the scrap and we asked him if his guy would be gunning for the KO, with the understanding that it would be hard to get benefits of the doubt from the judges in the zone where Canelo is the cash cow. Rozier said he trains his guys to think KO, but no, he said, they wouldn’t be making the assumption that Jacobs was coming in two points down.

Now those cards, two of them, actually bolster the Rozier stance. Two 115-113s, many if not most who watched the bout thought the margin of the Canelo win was wider than that. But I stand by my stance, and think it wise for any “B-side” trainer to adhere to my thinking. Human nature being what it is, you may as well acknowledge that; live with both feet in the reality-based (and sadly cynical) world, and train your guy to gun for the KO, because nine times out 10, B-Side Bob ain’t getting the benefit of the doubt on enough cards to be justly rewarded. But one dynamic really affects this issue.

5) IT’S MONEY THAT MATTERS
If you are Danny Jacobs, you do the math in your head. I can roll the dice, gun for the KO, leave myself open to counters and make it more possible that I myself get stopped. That results in a more “fan-friendly fight,” but not to the millennial art lovers who are of such high intellectual caliber that they appreciate the art of the pugilism more than the “you don’t know shyt about boxing” set. But at what cost?

Remember, the check clears just the same on Monday whether you went the distance and didn’t leave a large chunk of yourself in that ring, or you threw that caution to the wind and showed the reckless courage which made it more possible to elevate yourself to a more legendary status — but also that you might end up on your butt.

Yes, these athletes do the considerations in their heads. Do I want to be a Gatti or nah? Fewer seek the Gatti route, the “It’s Better to Burn Out Than Fade Away” route, than was the case 20, 30, even 10 years ago. And on one hand, that can be considered progress for those individuals. But for the longer-term health and wellness of the sport, not as much.

Photo by Al Bello/Getty Images
End note: I chatted with Peltz on Sunday, verifying it was he who had that Twitter response. It was. He chuckled. And then he admitted he was bummed after watching that bout. He heard what the boxers said after and found himself saying to himself, “LaMotta, Basilio — I can’t imagine these guys talking like that.”

And why the heck wasn’t Jacobs going out guns a blazing in round 12, Russell wondered? And then, giving up almost a million for the right to weigh 173-plus pounds instead of 170 the morning of.

He shook his head and muttered again.

The sport is now almost totally a business, he told me, and it’s good business for a handful of networks which have controlling interest. But beyond that, ”It’s killing the sport. People say there is more boxing on TV now. There’s eight million TV stations! Back then, there were three TV stations, and you had fights on there. I can’t even watch some of these fights anymore. I watch, then I walk out of the room. I couldn’t wait to watch ‘Friday Night Fights.’ Now the fights mean nothing and it leads nowhere. After the fight was over, it was so quiet in the arena — that told the story, the sound of silence. It’s not the sport I grew up with.”

 

[reservoirdogs]

Andrade vs Sulecki gonna be good

If Andrade could beat Sulecki more convincing than Jacobs did that would be kind of a statement already

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

this article on bad left hook kinda summed things up about this fight

Article was spot on. Agree with everything.

I said going in that the fight had no buzz and now afterwards it still has no buzz.

Jacobs can't fight big and Canelo couldn't be bothered to try and finish a guy who was obviously drained.

If this boardroom boxing trend continues nikkas is going to be unifying in the conference room inside the casino instead of the arena.

 

[patscorpio]

Article was spot on. Agree with everything.

I said going in that the fight had no buzz and now afterwards it still has no buzz.

Jacobs can't fight big and Canelo couldn't be bothered to try and finish a guy who was obviously drained.

If this boardroom boxing trend continues nikkas is going to be unifying in the conference room inside the casino instead of the arena.

bruh if only the king sor fight and card and the wbss semifinal from week before this past one had the type of spotlight this fight did....well the trend of the biggest fights this year not delivering continues ..im pretty much over this fight lol...espn about to have a card of fades next weekend (hopefully) and pbc has a good card on for once

 

[Yuzo]

Andrade vs Sulecki gonna be good

If Andrade could beat Sulecki more convincing than Jacobs did that would be kind of a statement already

the thing that makes andrade hard to beat is he has a high punch output and he is very in and out.

he doesnt go on long stretches without punching and he can dart in and dart out. jacobs couldnt do that.

 

[R=G]

Canelos career has been guided extremely carefully since losing to Floyd, he dropped his belt to avoid a prime GGG, fought Cotto instead who was a much smaller fight and past prime and then, instead of facing GGG, he fought Liam Smith, Amir Khan and Chavez Jr, only faced GGG at an age where Canelo himself wants to be retired. Now talks about facing Kovalev in the future who will be 37-38 and been knocked out already instead of a guy his age, like Bivol. Bivol too technical for Canelo, too dangerous. He only fought Jacobs after GGG beat him and Jacobs looked lackluster vs Derevyhanchenko and Sulecki. I dont see him facing Callum Smith unless he looks bad in his next fight and even then he might put up a rehydration clause like he did to Fielding and Jacobs.

If Canelo faces Callum Smith without a rehydration clause I will be very impressed.

 

[wingstop]

King Nelo. This was slick

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

King Nelo. This was slick

Got damn, I barely even seen that right hand get in