Capitalism Didn't Replace Slavery, It Scaled It

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You can't seem to understand that no matter the system there will always be an underclass because there will always be people trying to be the upper class.

The problem is the exploitation of the working by the upperclass

 

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That's Crony Corporatism talk.

Capitalism with some socialism is the best combo in a perfect world. That's what a majority of countries are based on.

It was capitalism since the beginning

 

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This is why it irks me when black people attack Bernie Sanders for not pandering to blacks enough. Missing the forest for the trees
Racism and white supremacy are tools of capitalism. Black people were deemed sub human literally for the purposes of justifying exploiting them for capitalist gain

 

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And what is going on in communist countries today.
There's a top and a clear heirarchy.
Nikkas that think people are not going to try to enslave other people are fooling themselves.

The royal class does not think of themselves as equal to everybody else.

There are no Communist countries. No country has yet to achieve Communism. However there were moderately successful socialist experiements before the US got involved because of the red scare.

 

[cjt11203]

Also I don't like the idea of just because something isn't perfect, its just as bad as we have now. Capitalism is inherently exploitative. The others are not. You literally cant have capitalism without exploitation.

 

[Chrishaune]

There are no Communist countries. No country has yet to achieve Communism. However there were moderately successful socialist experiements before the US got involved because of the red scare.

It doesn't matter what you call them, the point is still the point.

Doesn't matter the government, the elite will always try to create slaves.

 

[cjt11203]

It doesn't matter what you call them, the point is still the point.

Doesn't matter the government, the elite will always try to create slaves.

Like I said before, you don't know what you are criticizing. There has never been Communism. Socialism is the process of achieving communism. There are different types of Socialism but the totalitarian version you are referring to is likely Marxist Leninism, which aims to overthrow the state with a vanguard party. There are other forms of Socialism that doesn't agree with that method such as Anarchism which is against any form of hierarchy and tries to achieve socialism through prefiguration.


the government ALWAYS trying to create slaves is a strong claim but I'm assuming you are going off of your feelings with that one.

 

[Chrishaune]

Like I said before, you don't know what you are criticizing. There has never been Communism. Socialism is the process of achieving communism. There are different types of Socialism but the totalitarian version you are referring to is likely Marxist Leninism, which aims to overthrow the state with a vanguard party. There are other forms of Socialism that doesn't agree with that method such as Anarchism which is against any form of hierarchy and tries to achieve socialism through prefiguration.


the government ALWAYS trying to create slaves is a strong claim but I'm assuming you are going off of your feelings with that one.

You have been fooled. There is no perfect system in the world.

 

[cjt11203]

You have been fooled. There is no perfect system in the world.

Who claimed there was a perfect system?

 

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Also I don't like the idea of just because something isn't perfect, its just as bad as we have now. Capitalism is inherently exploitative. The others are not. You literally cant have capitalism without exploitation.

Still can't believe breh was in here saying that exploitation wasn't a part of capitalism

 

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Capitalism Didn’t Replace Slavery, It Scaled It | David McNally

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What if slavery wasn’t America’s past, but capitalism’s business model?

Historian David McNally (author of Slavery and Capitalism: A New Marxist History) joins economist Clara Mattei to uncover how plantation slavery powered global capitalism, why coercion (not “free markets”) is the system’s core, and how exploitation survives today through austerity and war, from the shop floor to Gaza.

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• Slavery as modern business, the roots of today’s exploitation
• Enslaved people’s stolen labor as the engine of modern wealth
• Why “innovation” means faster extraction of unpaid labor
• Austerity as state-enforced market dependence
• Militarism as permanent demand (and profit)
• Resistance from below, freedom won, not given

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00:00:00 - Introduction
00:02:20 - The Liberal Narrative and the Global Financial Crisis
00:03:56 - Capitalism and the Market in Human Labor
00:04:41 - Slavery and Capitalism
00:07:56 - The Standpoint of Production
00:10:21 - The Liberal Narrative of Progress
00:14:32 - The Fragility of the Slave System
00:15:07 - Innovation and Exploitation in Capitalism
00:16:12 - The Role of Innovation in Intensifying Labor Exploitation
00:16:59 - The Efficiency of Exploitation and Degradation of Human Labor
00:20:14 - The Concept of Unpaid Labor in Capitalism and Slavery
00:22:53 - The Logic of Capitalism and the Struggle for Life
00:24:50 - The Power of Slaves and Workers in Reacting to Capitalism
00:25:09 - The Political Economy of Death and the Rebellion for Life
00:30:12 - Reclaiming Time for Life and Social Reproduction
00:33:21 - The Role of Slaves in Abolishing Slavery
00:34:12 - The Power of Resistance and Insurgency
00:38:52 - The Emancipatory Insight of Capital as a Social Relation
00:39:57 - Preserving Capital as a Social Relation Post-Slavery
00:41:04 - The Role of Law in Protecting Capital
00:45:14 - The Coercive Nature of Capitalism
00:46:43 - The Struggle for Workers' Rights and Democracy
00:47:11 - The Unfinished Path to Freedom
00:47:23 - The Logic of Capital and Government Policies
00:48:39 - Alternatives to Slavery and Capitalism
00:49:04 - Examples of Alternatives and Resistance
00:50:56 - The Importance of Imagining Alternatives
00:52:25 - The Persistence of Resistance
00:53:19 - The Ongoing Struggles and Settler Colonialism
00:54:20 - The Political and Economic Interests Behind Oppression
00:55:21 - The Global Impact of Resistance
00:56:28 - Affirming Life Against the Machinery of D


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[Chrishaune]

Who claimed there was a perfect system?

So what are you promoting? It's not going to be any different. You will always have people taking advantage of others in the current society of the world. It's a problem that we can't get rid of because it's in their heart.
People who seek power and control of others will always be a problem in this world.

 

[cjt11203]

So what are you promoting? It's not going to be any different. You will always have people taking advantage of others in the current society of the world. It's a problem that we can't get rid of because it's in their heart.
People who seek power and control of others will always be a problem in this world.

This is nonsense since there have been many communities that pre colonization that existed relatively peacefully up until then. There are countries that are operating differently right now. But for some reason anything beneath perfection is considered failure. But you seem stuck on that and I don't think any proof I have that contradict what you're saying will change your mind so I'll just leave it alone

 

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This is nonsense since there have been many communities that pre colonization that existed relatively peacefully up until then. There are countries that are operating differently right now. But for some reason anything beneath perfection is considered failure. But you seem stuck on that and I don't think any proof I have that contradict what you're saying will change your mind so I'll just leave it alone

He can only view it through the lens of capitalism