challenge: make an ACTUAL POINT, supporting the ideologies of the civil rights movement.

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Brown vs Board of Education... something i had to research in college. in my 20's I was thinking it was a good thing

Now I'm asking


if begging the children of your oppressor to teach your (black masses) children and avoiding to teach your own children in your own institutions a good thing? ?


Integration isn't about begging the oppressors to teach us, it's about equal access to education. Separate but equal was not equal. Integration allowed black children to go to the same schools (read from the same books, have access to the same meals, use the same infrastructure) as white children. Before, schoolhouses were dilapidated, educational meal quality was lower due to vendor access and vendor choice discrimination, etc. Giving children better access to education allows them a better opportunity to become educators in the future. Stifling their access to education deters them from education and perpetuates negative outcomes. Integration was more about us getting equal access to a closed club (the club of equal rights...on paper) than anything else. Whether people feel racist is on them, but after Brown vs. BOE they could no longer keep kids out of school based on color.
 

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Integration isn't about begging the oppressors to teach us, it's about equal access to education. Separate but equal was not equal. Integration allowed black children to go to the same schools (read from the same books, have access to the same meals, use the same infrastructure) as white children. Before, schoolhouses were dilapidated, educational meal quality was lower due to vendor access and vendor choice discrimination, etc. Giving children better access to education allows them a better opportunity to become educators in the future. Stifling their access to education deters them from education and perpetuates negative outcomes. Integration was more about us getting equal access to a closed club (the club of equal rights...on paper) than anything else. Whether people feel racist is on them, but after Brown vs. BOE they could no longer keep kids out of school based on color.

That's all great and seemed as if that was a good idea but, we see how white folks flipped that so it turned out that that wasn't the answer.
 

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That's all great and seemed as if that was a good idea but, we see how white folks flipped that so it turned out that that wasn't the answer.

I feel you on that. Trust me I'm not some "we are free...everyone is equal" kinda breh. Strides need to be made. But life as a little homie going to school in an integrated school (like it mattered in the early 90's in San Diego where I'm from) was undoubtedly better than a segregated school in the 1950s
 

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Simple

Look at how much Asians have progressed from integration and you will see its benefits.

The only issue is that we never took advantage of integration like they did.
 

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@Blackking has no thesis. He enjoys talking about problems, not solutions.
I have entire solutions that I presented many times....

Not that I needed to do that, because others have already....

Why are you a western imperialism supporting white supremacist?
 

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You saying Dr John Henrik Clarke wanted a MSNBC show, breh? These are the scholars we're talking about. I know y'all nikkas is clowns now. Say all kinds of BS.

I'm not talking about him of course, he's been dead since 1998. Why would I even disrespect that man?

Hell, I'm going back to school in the near future to get more educated like him.

:what:
 

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Voting rights protection?
The removal of legalized housing discrimination?
The protection from violence resulting from integration?

People will be racist. You can't make THAT illegal. Its an idea. Your beef is with social progress, not legal process.

yea this is easy honestly

access to better education as well which equates to access to better jobs.

MLK's work did help us.
 

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Simple

Look at how much Asians have progressed from integration and you will see its benefits.

The only issue is that we never took advantage of integration like they did.
Wow.

first off, you dont know anything about segregating within integration ___if you did you wouldn't bring up asians.

Second... im embarrassed to have to say this but
How can you compare a group whose position and treatment has been 100x better in America, who didn't have their language, identity, unity, and culture taken.. who weren't brainwashed to a high degree and who weren't trained to lean on the church over technology????

Their communities weren't targeted by the government and all progress and leadership wasn't murked off...
Look at what happened to mlk?? He died foe US, and now Hispanics, asians, gays , etc take advantage of his death while blacks still had real shyt to deal with.
 

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yea this is easy honestly

access to better education as well which equates to access to better jobs.

MLK's work did help us.
Im not sure that more jobs helps...

Better jobs and more businesses and more pro black self reliance helps.

We have access but wealth gaps have tripled I. The last 25 years.
The black family has been destroyed since the 60s at a steady decline.


Give me one reason having a good ol worker mindset will help us progress?
 

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Wow.

first off, you dont know anything about segregating within integration ___if you did you wouldn't bring up asians.

Second... im embarrassed to have to say this but
How can you compare a group whose position and treatment has been 100x better in America, who didn't have their language, identity, unity, and culture taken.. who weren't brainwashed to a high degree and who weren't trained to lean on the church over technology????

Their communities weren't targeted by the government and all progress and leadership wasn't murked off...
Look at what happened to mlk?? He died foe US, and now Hispanics, asians, gays , etc take advantage of his death while blacks still had real shyt to deal with.
So you are really gonna tell me that we had it better during segregation?

Not to mention that during segregation we had to answer to the white man still?

Really dude??

And as for the rest we could of still made black businesses and supported our own after all of that hell.

It's just that after segregation ended everybody ran to white stores.
 
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