Charlamagne: Ether was corny

[zerozero]

I just went and listened to Ether for the first time in a while, trying to listen with "fresh" ears...

The middle of the song where he starts going "hug me, don't reject me" is just this is what "sonning" means

 

[Oville]

What people got to take into consideration when they say nas had one hot album in ten years is that nas was judged by a metric no other rapper had ever been judged by. I'm not saying that as a nas stan I'm saying that as a fact. Everyone else from that era was judged off the amount of hit records they had and albums sold. Nas was just as relevant and had multiple hits during that time and had number 1 singles but publications were getting at him because he didn't make an album that surpassed what might be the most heralded hip hop album of all time. Nas was on hit records with mariah carrey and missy, he was killing the street records with on Jadakiss and the Wu album. He was on Belly. Say what you want about the Firm album but it went gold and had hits. But Nas was just judged on a standard that higher than anyone else to the point where it was unfair. Biggie and Jay could put out hit records that sell and be lauded as being diverse but Nas did it and he was selling out. Thats why the whole 1 hot album every ten year average and not being top 10 is mad misleading because anyone who lived in that era knows Nas was still a big dog. The source gave It Was Written 4 mics and I don't think they ever gave any album back to back 5 mics at the time. They I Am 4.5 mics and everyone said it was a return to form for Nas. But Jay said all he had was one hot album and all of a sudden people wanna act like those albums were flops. SMH

 

[Nephilim_BC]

its like 2 employees at work. One comes in and tells the other he sucks at this job, he's doing better for the company, etc

then the other person responds roasting him "man you ugly, blah blah, lookin"

both entertaining "facts"

 

[eerieBell]

1 Hot album when IWW is arguably better the Jay's best album?

 

[KiD WavE]

you just tripped over your own doofy logic. you quote a stan using sales as a metric for quality then dismiss Jay's last 10 years of platinum plus albums as trash.

make up your mind.

yea true what you said re-reading the post I did contradict myself with this post but to really I was dapping/ responding to the beginning of the post I really dont care if Nas only sold 10 albums Im concerned with the music quality

 

[Robbie3000]

IWW is better than Reasonable Doubt

 

[Street Knowledge]

Jay has always said he appreciated illmatic, but just never liked nas's other albums after that

 

[Big Mel]

IWW is better than Reasonable Doubt

Hell fukkin no!

 

[TheDarceKnight]

it is not a better song.
ether is the better song, because it actually is more versatile to everyone in the listeners spectrum as far as rap listeners, go.
as, ether also won because it connected with audiences out of ny and all over.
the reason why jay lost is because when it called for him to get work from his excellent past large crop of higher drawing producers for a more versatile beat.
he kept it far and away from accessible to the people who he had as fans out of ny. When, his career was made off of being the guy trying to on any and everything like juvenile's ha and failing to big pimp'n.
the reason why bp is erroneously rated by vibe.
is bp, stuck to just traditional ny sound people begged jay to make. When, previously he was not using his old guard of producers.
plus, just made an entirely larger selling west coast directed audience on roc la.
so, jay shot himself in the foot, trying to use a sound.
he also, previously condemned as dated.
then, come to find out he needed those different types of beats to blow.
yet, when the battle starts.
this, nikka is back on trying to appease only one type of fan.
whereas nas, went full into the mode of the guy who went out his comfort zone on IWW.
then, effectively bridged the gap in one major label try, and still to this day.
after illmatic, ether is his best lone submission in the pop realm.
he allowed nikkaz to go direction and draw wise while selling out.
yet, jay who at this time was supposed to be the master of versatility.
is rocking over samples and not showing any versatility, nor ferocity.
while, nas is spitting the meanest he ever spit, after he sold out on a gateway record like ether in a battle.
nas, beat jay at his own gamesmanship, to draw for his whole career in one record.
plus, nas's previous disses with fatjoe and prodigy were better and over sampled breaks/instrumentals

so, all the homework jay did sounded dumb as hell.
once, nas served his ass on ether.
As, ether is nas's answer to jay, and even critics/fans all in one of the most potent battle records, ever.
plus, jay does not know how to battle.cause he let nas build up ink, on how to diss him.
By letting the prodigy/fatjoe/nas previous disses go on for so long.


Art Barr

That's exactly why I think Nas won. I understand and I appreciate the history behind it, and some of those factors I never considered. The point is that if I'm personally going to ride around town going to work, and if I have to play one joint or the other, I'll probably play Takeover. It's 2014 so I'm not as caught up in the fact that Jay was rocking with a west coast vibe on Dynasty, and that Ether is Nas' biggest record since IWW. I agree. I also agree that Nas got reinvigorated by the diss and that it brought his career back from the brink.

Also not to say I won't rock Ether in the car either. I will. I'm a producer head. I fukk with The Doors, I always liked Five To One, and I like that beat better than the Ether beat. That alone would make me listen to Takeover more.

Yeah Ether is one most potent battle records ever. Top 5, top 3 easily.

 

[88m3]

you cornmega fans are so lame

still mad the goat destroyed his bytch ass on "Destroy and Rebuild"

and LOL at 45 year old, white Cornmega fans

 

[eerieBell]

IWW is better than Reasonable Doubt

good tracks on IWW: the message, I gave you power, silent murder, shootouts, live nikka rap, if I ruled the world

good tracks on RD: everything except for Ain't No nikka joint

classic tracks on IWW: the message, I gave you power

classic tracks on RD: BK's finest, Feelin' it, D'evils, 22 two's, can I live, regrets, politics as usual, dead presidents II






come at me bro

like I said

 

[Robbie3000]

good tracks on IWW: the message, I gave you power, silent murder, shootouts, live nikka rap, if I ruled the world

good tracks on RD: everything except for Ain't No nikka joint

classic tracks on IWW: the message, I gave you power

classic tracks on RD: BK's finest, Feelin' it, D'evils, 22 two's, can I live, regrets, politics as usual, dead presidents II






come at me bro

like I said

Take it in Blood shyts on the entirety of Reasonable Doubt.

 

[Wacky D]

@FTBS my bad. i screwed up when i quoted you.

you can put together an album in a week or two..

nastradamus was chitted upon on site. even before its official release date. nothing revisionist about it.

"i am" was a banger, but alot of nas die-hards didnt like the direction and werent feeling it like that. and those are the main people that still talk about nas regularly in modern times. so naturally, its mostly their opinions that youre probably hearing.

Rememember this was during a time when everybody was going platinum.

there was never such a time.[/QUOTE]

 

[NYC Rebel]

I always felt that way.

 

[FTBS]

@FTBS my bad. i screwed up when i quoted you.

you can put together an album in a week or two..

nastradamus was chitted upon on site. even before its official release date. nothing revisionist about it.

"i am" was a banger, but alot of nas die-hards didnt like the direction and werent feeling it like that. and those are the main people that still talk about nas regularly in modern times. so naturally, its mostly their opinions that youre probably hearing.





there was never such a time.

[/QUOTE]

I just find it highly unlikely that a guy like Nas waited until September to start making tracks for his album due in December.

The song "Nastradamus" was certainly shat on but I dont recall people going as hard on the album before the battle . Outside of that album I havent heard anything negative about either of the first three albums.