Charlamagne: Ether was corny

[Ego Noir]

its only a good exposure if it affects them in any way. ether was a hit but jay seemed to take it in stride. had a few more hit albums after that.

what are you talking about jay damn near cried the next day on Hot 97.

and uncharacteristically, and very impulsively released Superugly the very next day.

Ether had Jay in shambles.

But Jay Z is very good at the business of music, which is why he stayed afloat in the long run.

 

[beanz]

Ignored? Are you implying that Nas started this or something? Dudes were throwing shots at each other for years. The winner is only debated by the most ardent of Jay fans. Even Jay doesn't . I get it you are a Jay fan and that's fan. I won't get into arguing preference but some of what you said is just comically inaccurate and not based in reality.

nah i meant ignored in the context of taking the crown in ny. nas was his only real threat even tho nas was starting to get in rap terms. instead of just letting nas continue to evaporate he dragged him into the battle that revived nas' career.

 

[beanz]

what are you talking about jay damn near cried the next day on Hot 97.

and uncharacteristically, and very impulsively released Superugly the very next day.

Ether had Jay in shambles.

But Jay Z is very good at the business of music, which is why he stayed afloat in the long run.

im a little out of my element since its been years since the battle and i dont remember any of the details and i no longer listen to either of them so ima bow out but lets just agree its a preferential thing. im not blind to the fact most people think nas won the battle but i always debate this because nas fans are so obnoxious about it like a red sox fan after winning something after a 90 year drought . to this day ya hate the camel even tho nas supposedly won but most jay fans is like " i still listen to illmatic".

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Jay was shyttin on these fukk nikkaz...

"you callin Carmen 100 times, I was bonin her neck"
"left condoms on your baby seat"

"ive been fukked over left for dead dissed and forgotten
luck ran out they hoped that Id be gone stiff and rotten
yall just shyt on me, spit on me, piss on my grave
laughin in my face"



this fakket naS confirmin Jay sayin this nikka fell to not even mentioned at all

We all know that naS was gettin fukked then and didnt get paid for the sample... plus he was usin his own voice wrong. We all know jigga showed naS his 1st tech... that was on tour wit Large Professor, and all of a sudden this fakket rappin about his tech on the dresser

obviously this nikka is the rap version of TD Jakes

Oochie wally wally or One Mic
Black girl lost or shory owe you for ice

 

[FTBS]

nah i meant ignored in the context of taking the crown in ny. nas was his only real threat even tho nas was starting to get in rap terms. instead of just letting nas continue to evaporate he dragged him into the battle that revived nas' career.

Once you are you are . This idea that the battle somehow propelled Nas to new heights in either popularity or music quality can only be pushed by someone who didn't start following rap until late 99 or a person blindly riding with Jay.

im a little out of my element since its been years since the battle and i dont remember any of the details and i no longer listen to either of them so ima bow out but lets just agree its a preferential thing. im not blind to the fact most people think nas won the battle but i always debate this because nas fans are so obnoxious about it like a red sox fan after winning something after a 90 year drought . to this day ya hate the camel even tho nas supposedly won but most jay fans is like " i still listen to illmatic".

Not true...both sides are obnoxious which is why an Jay vs. Nas thread can still do numbers 13 years later. No such thing as a one-sided battle.

 

[Ego Noir]

im a little out of my element since its been years since the battle and i dont remember any of the details and i no longer listen to either of them so ima bow out but lets just agree its a preferential thing. im not blind to the fact most people think nas won the battle but i always debate this because nas fans are so obnoxious about it like a red sox fan after winning something after a 90 year drought . to this day ya hate the camel even tho nas supposedly won but most jay fans is like " i still listen to illmatic".

If both dropped an album today id most likely listen to Jay Z's first. but that era was volatile for Jay and he was the butt of many jokes whereas before Ether his image was damn near perfect. He weathered the storm tho

 

[No_bammer_weed]

it was a battle and nas made it personal. as u said, takeover was based on music. nas felt shytted on and he knew he couldnt win by keeping it at that level so he went with the disses and got personal, so jay stooped down to that same level and shytted on him again. you can feel a certain way about it and i will even agree to some extent, but nas took it there first.

Nobody's mad that Jay got personal, its just that Superugly was wack.

I think the bottom line here is that Jay completely underestimated Nas, and thought he had sht sown up and figured out. Jay assumed that Nas would just drop some lyrically dense diss track that would be dope, but would just appeal to rap head types, while going over the heads of the streets and the Hot 97 crowd. The angle Jay was constantly trying to hit in the battle was that Nas was some bookworm, out of touch nerd that wasnt street, and whom the streets wasnt feeling.

Nas gave jay the head fake by setting him up with the Stillmatic freestyle (dope and lyrical but went over the heads of the general public), only to take the gloves off with Ether and beat Jay's ass at his own game. If anything is clear, its that Jay wasnt expecting Ether at all, and was taken completely by surprise. Jay didnt think that Nas had it in him to drop a diss that would have mass appeal.

 

[beanz]

Once you are you are . This idea that the battle somehow propelled Nas to new heights in either popularity or music quality can only be pushed by someone who didn't start following rap until late 99 or a person blindly riding with Jay.



Not true...both sides are obnoxious which is why an Jay vs. Nas thread can still do numbers 13 years later. No such thing as a one-sided battle.

thats just not true breh. you can be and left for dead, dissed and forgotten and somebody could come and re-ignite the passion that made u popular in the 1st place. its no coincidence that before the battle nas was dropping so-so and trash albums and then after the battle he dropped stillmatic which is a classic.

 

[Billy Ocean]

...honestly I wish Nas would address it but he wont...

Man, I wish he would too. Nas never addresses sh!t worth hearing. He had about a 1 and a half year period where he actually openly, and publicly spoke his mind...and that was during this Jay vs. Nas period. The period his mother was sick/died. The GOAT has to be the most boring interview out of all the great hip hop MCs.

 

[beanz]

Nobody's mad that Jay got personal, its just that Superugly was wack.

I think the bottom line here is that Jay completely underestimated Nas, and thought he had sht sown up and figured out. Jay assumed that Nas would just drop some lyrically dense diss track that would be dope, but would just appeal to rap head types, while going over the heads of the streets and the Hot 97 crowd. The angle Jay was constantly trying to hit in the battle was that Nas was some bookworm nerd that wasnt street, and that the streets weren't feeling.

Nas gave jay the head fake by setting him up with the Stillmatic freestyle (dope and lyrical but went over the heads of the general public), only to take the gloves off with Ether and beat Jay at his own game. If anything is clear, its that Jay wasnt expecting Ether and all, and was taken completely by surprise. Jay didnt think that Nas had it in him to drop a diss that would have mass appeal.

super ugly was trash as a song. i was disappointed too when it came out after all that hype. the content had to make nas mad as fukk even if it was just for a little while tho . i can picture nas calling his baby moms and arguing with her for being a groupie slut after that came out.

 

[FTBS]

thats just not true breh. you can be and left for dead, dissed and forgotten and somebody could come and re-ignite the passion that made u popular in the 1st place. its no coincidence that before the battle nas was dropping so-so and trash albums and then after the battle he dropped stillmatic which is a classic.

Blueprint came out 9/11/01. Stillmatic came out 12/18/01. You think he waited until Jay dissed him directly to start recording that album and got it recorded, to the label, and shipped in 3 months? Which albumS were so-so and trash? You got Nastradamus and...

 

[erker]

I've said this before and I'll continue to say it: It doesn't matter what song you think is better personally or whom you feel won the beef personally because Jay got on radio, talked about how vulgar Ether was and how disrespectful it was, apologized to Nas for disrespecting his daughter and baby moms and admitted defeat on Blueprint 2. That's it, battle over. At that point, anything we say is irrelevant

.

 

[beanz]

Blueprint came out 9/11/01. Stillmatic came out 12/18/01. You think he waited until Jay dissed him directly to start recording that album and did so in 3 months? Which albumS were so-so and trash? You got Nastradamus and...

blueprint came out in september but jay called nas out in summer jam which was like june i believe.

and from what i remember even nas fans were disappointed with his output. my uncle is the biggest nas fan i know and he was barely bumping him anymore. i am and nastradamus were very to even some nas fans. not even stannery could save those.

 

[MouseTeeth]

Crazy that ppl r still debating this shyt 13 yrs later

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Illimatic, I Am, and Nastrodamus are three of the worst albums ever put out regardless of genre. IWW was hot.