Charles Barkley gives his two cents on the state of the game during halftime of Warriors/Mavs

[IVS]

I dont even watch anymore. I barely even watch highlights. The 3 jacking became ridic.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

Watched the Mavs v Suns game the other night and Ayton had a a jump hook 3ft out and passed the ball out to Crowder for a contested 3pt shop from top of the key. I turned the tv off

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You said a whole lot of nothing breh

The game we see today is nothing "new". The mid 90s Rockets, Sonics, Magic, and Spurs all played a semblance of what we see today
Lots of 3 pointers, stretch 4's, versatile defenders, position-less basketball, and high athletic plays. The problem with today... NO BALANCE

No contrasting styles
No defensive culture
No varied offensive sets

You had the 1996 Magic with Shaq and Penny, play a completely different style compared to Jordan and Pippen

Today's game to me is a direct response to the 1999-2007 era with slow paced offense. The Spurs-Cavs Finals in 2007 scared the living daylights out of David Stern, and they immediately went into over rdrive with the circus playing style we see today

If you actually read, you'd see I already answered your issue.

Why would teams play "contrasting styles" when it brings neither ratings nor wins? Just for the sake of being different?


And no, those '90s teams were not the same as today. For example, the Bulls were a great defensive team, but they were terrible at defending the 3pt shot. Teams with multiple elite 3pt shooters (Cavs, Magic, Pacers) used to tee off on them. Yet the Bulls could still win games without a single elite 3pt shooter in the starting lineup - though they did have some excellent ones on the bench - because nobody was so good at the 3pt to outscore them like that. That would never happen today.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

they are right about the math but it still sucks sometimes. I mean if you got a great midrange jumper you're going to get outpaced by a dude hitting 37% from three.

There are plenty of instances however where the little midrange can be effective and they just don't bother.. what's worse is when they pass up a layup tho. Passing up a layup that is 100% to go in for a 3 attempt that is under 40% is to me..

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Too many bad 3 point shooters thinking they are 3 point shooters too

 

[FunkDoc1112]

You said a whole lot of nothing breh

The game we see today is nothing "new". The mid 90s Rockets, Sonics, Magic, and Spurs all played a semblance of what we see today
Lots of 3 pointers, stretch 4's, versatile defenders, position-less basketball, and high athletic plays. The problem with today... NO BALANCE

No contrasting styles
No defensive culture
No varied offensive sets

You had the 1996 Magic with Shaq and Penny, play a completely different style compared to Jordan and Pippen

Today's game to me is a direct response to the 1999-2007 era with slow paced offense. The Spurs-Cavs Finals in 2007 scared the living daylights out of David Stern, and they immediately went into over rdrive with the circus playing style we see today

The rule changes happened in 2004 because of that horrendous 03-04 season, not 2007. The NBA didn't change any rules between 2004 and 2012. In fact, the rule change in 2012 (changing the rip through to a common foul) actually tried to discourage offense a bit.

 

[Black Lightning]

Tonight

GS: 43 3's
Mavs: 50 3's

Rockets: 45 3's
Grizzlies: 35 3's

 

[Tha_Mac]

I saw bkake griffin hit a turnaround J in the post this season. Probably the first time Ive seen him do that in his career. It looked like a legit post move. He then proceeded to stand around the 3pt line all night long. Disgusting. NBA is unwatchable rn

I'm a little bit upset that the Rockets don't have Cousins on the block more. Before Harden got traded it seemed like all Boogie's shots were from the 3pt line. They could post Boogie and look to draw the double to swing the ball on the perimeter for 3's. They could post Boogie and run cut's, flares, and backdoors using his passing ability. Or if he has a real mismatch let Boogie go to work in the post.

Most teams do play the same and only a select few play defense consistently game in and game out. I fukk with the 3pt line that's how the Rockets won titles in '94 and '95 with Dream going to work or drawing doubles from the post and kicking it out to open shooters, so I can live with the three.

It's the lack of defense that is wack to me. I seen somebody in this thread say that it's tougher to defend without using your elbows and forearms and I can say that's probably right. But I see too many times nobody getting back in transition, or after makes and too many lapses on inbound plays. Some just let their man drive right past them. And don't forget the unnecessary switch especially in off ball situations.

And the whole softness of this load management shyt is pathetic. Rockets basically lost their 6 game winning streak to OKC Wednesday because they decided to sit Wall and play him tonight Thursday vs Memphis. Every win is valuable or every game is valuable when you're gonna be fighting for a 6, 7 or 8 seed in the West.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Back then MJ had tougher defenders on him. He would thrive in this era with ease. KD and LeBron are a few of the only guards that could transition well.

Claim that today's guards couldn't transition to an era where Mark Price and Latrell Sprewell made 1st-team All-NBA.

MJ hardly ever had a meaningful game where he was up against an athletic defender his size who was elite at defense. All the great perimeter defenders in his era were both smaller and less athletic than he was. I mean, the Bulls even said once that the Blazers were a tough matchup just cause their guards had length, and Porter/Drexler had terrible defensive IQ.

In this era there are a TON of big swing players who can play elite defense. Think of the guys who have played in the last 15 years: Kawhi, PG13, Iggy, Bron, Butler, Klay, Anunoby, Middleton, Thybulle, Covington, Gordon, Roberson, Butler, Thabo, Batum, Deng, Ariza, Kobe, Battier, Marion, Artest, Bowen, Prince. Every single one of those guys is longer than MJ and can play elite defense. I'm sure I'm forgetting plenty - and not even counting guys like Marcus Smart, Dejonte Murray, Tony Allen who are slightly smaller but play big, or 4/5s like Tucker, Draymond, AD, Crowder, etc. who can legitimate play on the perimeter.

If Tatum, Brown, Lonzo, Aminu etc. were playing in the 1990s, they'd immediately be considered some of the best matchups to guard MJ. Would they even be top-10 or top-15 in that category today?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Too many bad 3 point shooters thinking they are 3 point shooters too

You describe Charles Barkley perfectly.

Shot 4 threes a game in '97 even though he could only hit 28% on the SHORT line.

Anthony Davis is a far better shooter than Chuck and yet he's never averaged 4 threes/game in any season.

 

[UpAndComing]

The rule changes happened in 2004 because of that horrendous 03-04 season, not 2007. The NBA didn't change any rules between 2004 and 2012. In fact, the rule change in 2012 (changing the rip through to a common foul) actually tried to discourage offense a bit.

You're prefacing my post like I'm strictly talking about rule change. Its MARKETING. That fuels everything in a business (Which the NBA is)
NBA changed rules in 2015/2016 to end flopping by handing out fines for it, how did that turn out?

Rules are one thing, NBA referees embellishing on foul calls to push a certain style of play is another thing

 

[Family Lives Matter]

This shyt is great for 20 second Instagram clips

Awful to sit down and watch an entire game

 

[Shadow King]

I saw bkake griffin hit a turnaround J in the post this season. Probably the first time Ive seen him do that in his career. It looked like a legit post move.

 

[FabTrey]

I only watch the playoffs brehs

can't watch regular season because it's a damn rico hines 3pt shooting drills.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

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