Charles Barkley - "The NBA is the worst it's ever been"

[FunkDoc1112]

The 90s Rockets, Jazz, Sonics, Suns, and Spurs all made the NBA finals between '93-98. The fukk are you talking about?

That's five different seasons dawg

'94 was the only year you could say most of them were "legitimate" contenders at the same time. By '95 the Sonics and Jazz had the choker stench, Suns had no defense, and the Rockets weren't really looked at as contenders, which is why their playoff run was so astounding (which proves that you can't just prematurely call seasons, too). And in 96 the Rockets and Suns fell off.

 

[SoulController]

Bulls made the playoffs with a 30-52 record in mjs rookie season. fukk outta here

thats horrible

 

[FTBS]

It's not the same as it's always been and you people expose yourselves when you say that. You've got two teams with a realistic shot to come out the west and really just one in the east. Now compare that to 20 years ago in the mid 90s when you had multiple championship contenders. In the west alone you had the Rockets, Sonics, Suns, Jazz, and Spurs who were all legit contenders during the same time period. I seriously don't know what you people get out of denying the obvious. It's obvious that the level of play and competition is shyt right now, what exactly do you get out of pretending that it's always been this way?

And yet 2 teams combined for 8 straight chips. The only people pretending are people like yourself who subscribe to this belief that being an also ran 20 years ago is somehow >>> than being one right now.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

just bring back handchecking and watch the quality of the games improve overnight.

 

[Illin Degenerate]

FOH with this bullshyt

Barkley wouldn't be great in any era?

exactly, what power forwards from today would give barkley any trouble whatsoever? zones? packing the paint? he'd pass to his shooters like he did when he was trying to draw illegal defenses. he'd steamroll his way to the hoop the same way lebron does now cept there'd be less rim protection in front of him and less possibility of someone taking charges because of the restricted area than he faced during his playing days. barkley would eat every single team in this league alive and own the boards.

sure barkley didnt work hard, but this idea that he wouldnt play any defense and be this huge liability is over the top. he averaged 1.5 steals and .8 blocks per game over his career and his defensive metrics werent bad at all even though he wasnt playing on great defensive teams. during the 96-97 season as a 33-34 year old, 100 defensive rating with him on the floor, 2.8 dbpm.

 

[jwinfield]

Edit:also the big difference today and the 90's is to me the stars want to playtogether...seemed like back then the stars wanted to compete snd beat eachother...not join forces to create superteams.

Limited cap room and unrestricted free agency not starting til 88 is why stars weren't joining up like that.

PRO BASKETBALL;In Free-Agent War, Knicks Have Edge

"I'm talking to everybody," Ewing said earlier this week, referring to his off-season job as the Knicks' recruiting coordinator. "I expect us to be in the running for Juwan Howard and a lot of guys. Reggie Miller. Allan Houston. No question. We can catch the Bulls."

If the Knicks spend their money right, so can perhaps the Lakers, another team significantly under the league's $24.3 million salary cap.

 

[Blade]

It's not necessarily the worst. It's just before there was an over reliance on getting everything inside. Now that's shifted to the other end of the spectrum. It's just a different game now that rewards players for their perimeter skills and marginalizes traditional bigs. But this is by design. At least you don't have to see 7ft stiffs getting floor time simply cuz they're tall.

Chuck just mad cuz he would get the Enes Kanter treatment cuz he never tried to or could stop anyone.

 

[Gravity]

And yet 2 teams combined for 8 straight chips.

Irrelevant. You said that the NBA has always been in the state that it's in now and I just proved you wrong. Both conferences were a lot deeper 20 years ago. Instead of just conceding the point like a man you deflect like a bytch.

The only people pretending are people like yourself who subscribe to this belief that being an also ran 20 years ago is somehow >>> than being one right now.

I don't even know what you were trying to say right here

That's five different seasons dawg

How many contenders have been in the west over the last 5 seasons? Only 3 teams that have been true title contenders in the west have been Spurs, Warriors, and Thunder. Now it's only 2.

Let's just compare the league now to the 96-97 season. There is no comparison

 

[FTBS]

Irrelevant. You said that the NBA has always been in the state that it's in now and I just proved you wrong. Both conferences were a lot deeper 20 years ago. Instead of just conceding the point like a man you deflect like a bytch.

I don't even know what you were trying to say right here
How many contenders have been in the west over the last 5 seasons? Only 3 teams that have been true title contenders in the west have been Spurs, Warriors, and Thunder. Now it's only 2.

Let's just compare the league now to the 96-97 season. There is no comparison

Championship winners are irrelevant in regards to competitiveness? What does depth mean when two teams are running shyt? How deep are you if two teams are running shyt?

Let me break it down for you. You are overrating the teams that weren't good enough to win it all back then while underrating the teams not good enough to win it all right now.


All the bytches I know jump right into name calling, treating baseless assertions like fact, dismissiveness of actual fact, and acting like they don't comprehend when confronted with points they can't refute .

Now if you have a means of refuting my actual point we can continue this discussion. If this is gonna devolve into one of your name calling, ad hominem sessions then we are done. I mean you can go on by yourself with that bullshyt but I won't be participating.

 

[PortCityProphet]

This is the 1st year without Kobe. League might as well fold

 

[Gravity]

Championship winners are irrelevant in regards to competitiveness? What does depth mean when two teams are running shyt? How deep are you if two teams are running shyt?

Yes championship winners are irrelevant when talking about the depth of quality teams in the league. It wasn't two teams "runnin shyt". The Rockets didn't "run" the west. They won the west two years in a row and in the second year they were a 6th seed. I just pointed out that 5 different teams from the west made the NBA finals from the 92-93 season to the 98-99 season.

You could say that the Bulls ran the east but my point still remains because they were still more quality teams in the east back then. You pointing out that the Bulls and Rockets won 8 straight doesn't negate my point that the league was deeper then than now.

Let me break it down for you. You are overrating the teams that weren't good enough to win it all back then while underrating the teams not good enough to win it all right now.

You can't break shyt down for me talking dumb shyt like this. What does this even mean? I'm talking about teams who made the NBA finals. I'm not overrating or underrating anything. I'm giving an honest accurate assessment of how the current league compares to the league 20 years ago. There were more quality teams in the league 20 years ago compared to now. You don't have a valid argument against that so you deflect.

All the bytches I know jump right into name calling, treating baseless assertions like fact, dismissiveness of actual fact, and acting like they don't comprehend when confronted with points they can't refute .

Now if you have a means of refuting my actual point we can continue this discussion. If this is gonna devolve into one of your name calling, ad hominem sessions then we are done. I mean you can go on by yourself with that bullshyt but I won't be participating.

Save the whining fakkit. You're just deflecting. My posting style hasn't changed and it won't change. If you're acting like a bytch then that's what I'm going to call you. If you want to use that as an excuse to tap out then go right ahead. It's no skin off of my teeth. I've already refuted you, you haven't made any valid points. Just accusing me of overrating teams from the 90s and underrating teams from this era isn't a point.

 

[King Jove]

This season has been very entertaining to me.

 

[FTBS]

Yes championship winners are irrelevant when talking about the depth of quality teams in the league. It wasn't two teams "runnin shyt". The Rockets didn't "run" the west. They won the west two years in a row and in the second year they were a 6th seed. I just pointed out that 5 different teams from the west made the NBA finals from the 92-93 season to the 98-99 season.

You could say that the Bulls ran the east but my point still remains because they were still more quality teams in the east back then. You pointing out that the Bulls and Rockets won 8 straight doesn't negate my point that the league was deeper then than now.

You can't break shyt down for me talking dumb shyt like this. What does this even mean? I'm talking about teams who made the NBA finals. I'm not overrating or underrating anything. I'm giving an honest accurate assessment of how the current league compares to the league 20 years ago. There were more quality teams in the league 20 years ago compared to now. You don't have a valid argument against that so you deflect.

Good look on calming all that silly shyt down and sticking to the points like a man.

How is winning a conference and eventually the entire chip in back to back years not running said conference? Once again how deep is a league if you got 2 teams that win 8 straight chips? It's like talking about how deep a team is but they only play 6 players. In the last 7 seasons 5 different teams from the West have made the Finals and unlike back then 4 of them actually won the whole thing.

 

[Gyasi85]

NBA is a business...and they business is entertainment dun nobody want to see Raptors vs Spurs in them finals..Stern figured this out a long time ago...and the NBA prospered ever since...baseball is in the bushes and so is hockey.cuz they ain't got enough Melanin and they stars lack swagger NBA celebrates the star talent and maxes out the fukkery the kids love it...and the ratings show it...So do it really matter if the NBA is competitive... With that said...I hope Golden State go up in smoke come June

 

[Malta]

just bring back handchecking and watch the quality of the games improve overnight.

No, the quality of games would decrease rapidly if you have the zone in conjunction with handchecking, they had to get rid of handchecking once the zone was implemented because the scores for games started to plummet. Teams started to use zone principles with handchecking and it led to some horrible playoff series like the 03-04 Pistons/Pacers series where the teams put up these numbers -