Christians create the annoying atheists that they hate so much.

[Ciggavelli]

@tmonster

Here are part of my science basis.
1. The Cosmological Argument -
Everything that had a beginning had a cause. The universe had a beginning. Therefore the universe had a cause. This is weighed on the fundamental principle of science The Law of Causality.

2. The Teleological Argument -
Every design had a designer. The universe has highly complex design. Therefore, the universe had a designer. Anthropic Constant 1 regarding oxygen level to which if it were not 21% of the atmosphere the results would be catastrophic for humans. AC #2 regarding Atmospheric Transparency to which if the specific degree changed we would not be here. AC #3 regarding the Moon-Earth Gravitational Interaction to which if it were greater or lesser we would not be here. AC #4 regarding Carbon Dioxide Level if it were higher we would all burn up, if lower we would suffocate. AC #5 regarding Gravity to which if the gravitational force were altered by 10^40 we would not be here.

The Anthropic Principle states 1. If the centrifugal force of the planetary movement did not precisely balance the gravitational forces, nothing could be held in orbit around the sun.
2. If the universe had expanded at a rate one millionth more slowly then it did, expansion would have stopped and collapsed on itself and if faster no galaxies would have formed.
3. If Jupiter were not in its current orbit the earth would be bombarded with space junk.
Etc. The thickness out the earth's crust, the rotation of the earth, water vapor levels in the atmosphere, the 23 degree tilt of the earth, the rate of lightning discharges and more seismic activity.

We likely live in a multiverse. Everything could just be random. There could be an infinite number of universes. We just happen to live in one where humans are alive. No creator is needed. In fact an initial creation isn't even logical (nothing can't create something).

Evolution played a big part to why we're alive now too. No intelligent design is needed.

shyt, time likely doesn't exist (and with that there goes the notion of creation)

 

[blackslash]

dis last hour of work gon be fun

 

[Thsnnor]

We likely live in a multiverse. Everything could just be random. There could be an infinite number of universes. We just happen to live in one where humans are alive. No creator is needed. In fact an initial creation isn't even logical (nothing can't create something).

Evolution played a big part to why we're alive now too. No intelligent design is needed.

Impossible to be random since the math was done already. It's bad enough trying to figure out the specifics and such of this universe you want to have more? Going to have to explain the specifics and tolerances for those also. Infinite universe theory has been put in the grave within the last year and a half.

Evolution is on life support since the millions of proteins that exist only four are living and getting the correct sequence since 1,2,3,4 will not work maybe 1,3,3,4 or 2,2,2,1 the math done on that happening was 10^40,000. More than all the sand grains on earth.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

It has been said many times that the deathbed is the greatest time of clarity you will have in your life.

And you are wrong about my mental state of stress as being religious at the time. I was not a Christian at the time.

which makes it even more suspicious you didn't become a Zoroastrian

 

[Ciggavelli]

Impossible to be random since the math was done already. It's bad enough trying to figure out the specifics and such of this universe you want to have more? Going to have to explain the specifics and tolerances for those also. Infinite universe theory has been put in the grave within the last year and a half.

Evolution is on life support since the millions of proteins that exist only four are living and getting the correct sequence since 1,2,3,4 will not work maybe 1,3,3,4 or 2,2,2,1 the math done on that happening was 10^40,000. More than all the sand grains on earth.

The infinite universe theory is still strong and certainly not in the grave. And 10^40,000 is nothing when you have infinity.

And how is it impossible to be random? Where is this math you speak of?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@tmonster

Here are part of my science basis.
1. The Cosmological Argument -
Everything that had a beginning had a cause. The universe had a beginning. Therefore the universe had a cause. This is weighed on the fundamental principle of science The Law of Causality.

2. The Teleological Argument -
Every design had a designer. The universe has highly complex design. Therefore, the universe had a designer. Anthropic Constant 1 regarding oxygen level to which if it were not 21% of the atmosphere the results would be catastrophic for humans. AC #2 regarding Atmospheric Transparency to which if the specific degree changed we would not be here. AC #3 regarding the Moon-Earth Gravitational Interaction to which if it were greater or lesser we would not be here. AC #4 regarding Carbon Dioxide Level if it were higher we would all burn up, if lower we would suffocate. AC #5 regarding Gravity to which if the gravitational force were altered by 10^40 we would not be here.

The Anthropic Principle states 1. If the centrifugal force of the planetary movement did not precisely balance the gravitational forces, nothing could be held in orbit around the sun.
2. If the universe had expanded at a rate one millionth more slowly then it did, expansion would have stopped and collapsed on itself and if faster no galaxies would have formed.
3. If Jupiter were not in its current orbit the earth would be bombarded with space junk.
Etc. The thickness out the earth's crust, the rotation of the earth, water vapor levels in the atmosphere, the 23 degree tilt of the earth, the rate of lightning discharges and more seismic activity.

Impossible to be random since the math was done already. It's bad enough trying to figure out the specifics and such of this universe you want to have more? Going to have to explain the specifics and tolerances for those also. Infinite universe theory has been put in the grave within the last year and a half.

Evolution is on life support since the millions of proteins that exist only four are living and getting the correct sequence since 1,2,3,4 will not work maybe 1,3,3,4 or 2,2,2,1 the math done on that happening was 10^40,000. More than all the sand grains on earth.

I started to want to debunk all of this and I'm just giving up cause it would take too long.

Look.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson just dropped a 13 episode series of The Cosmos that answers EVERY SINGLE THING you said here

EVERY THING YOU SAID IS ALL wrong.

ALL wrong.

There are scientific basics that you are fundamentally lacking.

I'm literally sitting here in a research lab with my mind blown that some could say this shyt and be so utterly uninformed.

 

[Thsnnor]

The infinite universe theory is still strong and certainly not in the grave. And 10^40,000 is nothing when you have infinity.

And how is it impossible to be random? Where is this math you speak of?

The infinite theory was brought down by if there are an infinite number of universes ours would be number infinity + 1. when infinity runs out ours is next. Mathematically it didn't work so it was dropped.

I got the math from one of the physicists. I'll dig his info out for you.

 

[Thsnnor]

I started to want to debunk all of this and I'm just giving up cause it would take too long.

Look.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson just dropped a 13 episode series of The Cosmos that answers EVERY SINGLE THING you said here

EVERY THING YOU SAID IS ALL wrong.

ALL wrong.

There are scientific basics that you are fundamentally lacking.

I'm literally sitting here in a research lab with my mind blown that some could say this shyt and be so utterly uninformed.

Lol. You need to do better research then. Pillars of the Science community have confirmed what I wrote. They are from whom I got the information. Would it be better to say the fine tuning came from Einstein or would you still try to argue against Einstein?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Lol. You need to do better research then. Pillars of the Science community have confirmed what I wrote. They are from whom I got the information. Would it be better to say the fine tuning came from Einstein or would you still try to argue against Einstein?

Einstein doesn't mean shyt.

Einstein isn't right because he's Einstein. He's right because what he discovers and asserts stands independently of him

This is the "appeal to authority" fallacy:

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The infinite theory was brought down by if there are an infinite number of universes ours would be number infinity + 1. when infinity runs out ours is next. Mathematically it didn't work so it was dropped.

I got the math from one of the physicists. I'll dig his info out for you.

Its an UNCONFIRMED theory of string theory

 

[tmonster]

@tmonster

Here are part of my science basis.
1. The Cosmological Argument -
Everything that had a beginning had a cause. The universe had a beginning. Therefore the universe had a cause. This is weighed on the fundamental principle of science The Law of Causality.

2. The Teleological Argument -
Every design had a designer. The universe has highly complex design. Therefore, the universe had a designer. Anthropic Constant 1 regarding oxygen level to which if it were not 21% of the atmosphere the results would be catastrophic for humans. AC #2 regarding Atmospheric Transparency to which if the specific degree changed we would not be here. AC #3 regarding the Moon-Earth Gravitational Interaction to which if it were greater or lesser we would not be here. AC #4 regarding Carbon Dioxide Level if it were higher we would all burn up, if lower we would suffocate. AC #5 regarding Gravity to which if the gravitational force were altered by 10^40 we would not be here.

The Anthropic Principle states 1. If the centrifugal force of the planetary movement did not precisely balance the gravitational forces, nothing could be held in orbit around the sun.
2. If the universe had expanded at a rate one millionth more slowly then it did, expansion would have stopped and collapsed on itself and if faster no galaxies would have formed.
3. If Jupiter were not in its current orbit the earth would be bombarded with space junk.
Etc. The thickness out the earth's crust, the rotation of the earth, water vapor levels in the atmosphere, the 23 degree tilt of the earth, the rate of lightning discharges and more seismic activity.

breh...I have google
now answer the questions I asked if you want to continue the conversation :zfg:

 

[Thsnnor]

which makes it even more suspicious you didn't become a Zoroastrian

Why would it be suspicious? Zoroastrian has no concept of Jesus, no hope for redemption through his death on the cross. It's just about doing good to keep evil at bay.

 

[Thsnnor]

Its an UNCONFIRMED theory of string theory

Theories are just that. I used Laws in my argument and as a person of science you know the difference between a theory and a law.

 

[Thsnnor]

breh...I have google
now answer the questions I asked if you want to continue the conversation :zfg:

Ask your question again.

 

[tmonster]

Then you say theists take the easy way out.

I suggest you study up. I don't accept your answer.

breh..if theists had the balls to say "I don't know", the internet wold lose half of it's content (religion/atheism threads)