Man, we heard snippets are they are nice!!
What you on about?.
Cilvaringz Responds to Comments About Once Upon A Time in Shaolin On Reddit
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What you on about?.
bigillwill06
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Who said it was better than the projects I just mentioned is what I’m on about. I state it pretty clearly. Who said this was a classic?
Sir Richard Spirit
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I heard what was available and people on this forum heard 1 hour worth and blew their minds.
Yeah, when i read that i thought "either this guy is too stupid to realize they dont mean literally called in on a phone, or he just trying to be slick because Reddit is not a format that can press him.
Howard The Duck
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Wu-Tang Clan - 2015 - Once Upon A Time In Shaolin Listening Session (LQ) - VBR
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ReasonableMatic
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“RZA then told me to call the Clan one by one and explain both the concept & Wu-Tang Clan accreditation of the project”
- Cilvaringz
This right here is the core of the problem.
Cilvaringz self-admittedly said there was a serious budget available they coulda used to put EVERYONE IN A ROOM TOGETHER, so:
• no deception
• no lies
• no miscommunication
• no misunderstanding could’ve happened
But RZA told Cilvaringz to “call everyone one by one and explain it”
So here we are..
RZA is as much a part of the problem and end result as Cilvaringz.
Black ppl gotta learn to be PROFESSIONAL and COMMUNICATE professionally with eachother.
Instead, nikkas love to indulge in “religious All Lives Matterism”
and complain after the fact.
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Bugzbunny129
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Yup
If ir comes out and people like it, rza looks foolish
So it dont come out.
No samples were cleared originally. There was no way to make it financially feasible other than this.
And i do find it weird yall in here blaming ringz for rzas call. Rza can say no to free money and pub. He just wont. Im sure 20 years of getting squeezed dry between the labels and the group that makes wu albums un feasible and hard for rza to make money, hes tired of it.
Ive heard the snips. I wanna hear it. And imo it sounds better than every wu album since 8d and most likely even more than that from what i hear.
Then again hes using samples that rza can no longer afford to use.
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Bugzbunny129
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English is his 3rd language… i remember the joke on wu corp was he learned watching Iron Eagle lol
And he would 100% make them rerecord and actually produce what they gave him so not sure its true anyway, english flub or not. Ringz one of only wu producers who ive heard tells them “rerecord with energy” and beyond the call of what most people do. Hence why his stuff sounds more old wu than a lot of the other wu elements or anyone period today. Maybe thats why they dont like him. Noone else is telling wu “redo that verse” like that. Especially guys like ringz.
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flatlinerz
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Cilvaringz is such a clown, I remember I went to a RZA show in 2003 and Cilvaringz was the opening with his wack hypeman and he pulled a american flag out and started tearing it up.
From all the snippets i heard, it's way better then the last few albums they put out. At least they sound hungry on this. That doesn't necessarily mean the beat selection is good thou.
What Cilva said is right, the members were each consulted & signed off on this project before it was finalized and sold. The issues were:
1. It ended up bigger than they thought it would be- It sold higher than they ever thought it would and of course now they think they should have got a larger chunk of the overall once the 'million dollar album' buzz started and, even though they signed off on it, now they wanted the same percentage of that as they would have got in a 90s major label contract for a "Wu-Tang Clan" album.
2. It ended up bigger than they thought it would be- The press loved the concept and ran with it and I'm sure it gets annoying when you are Wu Tang and the only part of this "Wu-Tang" album you've heard is your verses and the beats you rhymed on but you have to answer all the constant questions about it. (but that's not exactly outside the process as the beats you rhymed over or what you dropped your verses over all changed on the RZA produced Wu albums too).
3. It ended up bigger than they thought it would be- So when the album is ultimately sold to someone who is, on paper, a hip-hop head who's a head of a pharmaceutical company, and then, after you've sold it, he's revealed in the press to be a supervillain who is gouging AIDS patients and that becomes an international story, it sours the whole project for everyone (although it does shine light on trying to label music as classical art brings the same issues of that era where only royalty/the church/rich patrons were able to commission those works of art and most of them were doing so while exploiting the masses in the same fashion).
I had no clue about the Shkreli of it all prior to the sale & what came out about him, but I warned Ringz these would be the issues he'd run into eventually with the project & the Clan and, while it all came to pass, it's ultimately Ringz' project to do with as he sees fit. He produced the whole thing, he A&R'd the whole thing, he coached and had people rerecord/rewrite verses to the concepts he was going for on the tracks- it's his version of a "Wu-Tang Clan" album. Like others said in this thread, it's the same shyt as Math's Wu album- and that came out after OUATIS set a template.
I understand the Clan members taking issue (only because I predicted it knowing them- in reality it just did way better than they thought it would & they should just accept that since they signed off on it before knowing the level it would reach [but that's not realistic]) but the fans backlash has always just seemed purely hate for not being able to hear it. Not even saying that's not justified to some degree, but, once that format's been established? Stop whining about it. It's been a decade. It is what it is.
1. It ended up bigger than they thought it would be- It sold higher than they ever thought it would and of course now they think they should have got a larger chunk of the overall once the 'million dollar album' buzz started and, even though they signed off on it, now they wanted the same percentage of that as they would have got in a 90s major label contract for a "Wu-Tang Clan" album.
2. It ended up bigger than they thought it would be- The press loved the concept and ran with it and I'm sure it gets annoying when you are Wu Tang and the only part of this "Wu-Tang" album you've heard is your verses and the beats you rhymed on but you have to answer all the constant questions about it. (but that's not exactly outside the process as the beats you rhymed over or what you dropped your verses over all changed on the RZA produced Wu albums too).
3. It ended up bigger than they thought it would be- So when the album is ultimately sold to someone who is, on paper, a hip-hop head who's a head of a pharmaceutical company, and then, after you've sold it, he's revealed in the press to be a supervillain who is gouging AIDS patients and that becomes an international story, it sours the whole project for everyone (although it does shine light on trying to label music as classical art brings the same issues of that era where only royalty/the church/rich patrons were able to commission those works of art and most of them were doing so while exploiting the masses in the same fashion).
I had no clue about the Shkreli of it all prior to the sale & what came out about him, but I warned Ringz these would be the issues he'd run into eventually with the project & the Clan and, while it all came to pass, it's ultimately Ringz' project to do with as he sees fit. He produced the whole thing, he A&R'd the whole thing, he coached and had people rerecord/rewrite verses to the concepts he was going for on the tracks- it's his version of a "Wu-Tang Clan" album. Like others said in this thread, it's the same shyt as Math's Wu album- and that came out after OUATIS set a template.
I understand the Clan members taking issue (only because I predicted it knowing them- in reality it just did way better than they thought it would & they should just accept that since they signed off on it before knowing the level it would reach [but that's not realistic]) but the fans backlash has always just seemed purely hate for not being able to hear it. Not even saying that's not justified to some degree, but, once that format's been established? Stop whining about it. It's been a decade. It is what it is.
Heavy_Handz
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Wu-Tang been phoning it in for 20+ years 
That was his gimmick then..
It was period when didn't called themselves Taliban, and mixtape heads shouting out Osama..burning a US flag was not a taboo in subculture context.
flatlinerz
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Complete clown, he was the one that went to America trying to find RZA to sign to him and stayed there and his tearing up the flag
