Cilvaringz Responds to Comments About Once Upon A Time in Shaolin On Reddit

[Bugzbunny129]

Cilvaringz is being duplicitous and you're enabling him.

You notice in his Reddit post he uses "we" immediately before he name drops RZA to give the impression to readers that RZA was involved from the beginning and they were building the album together? That's the snake trying to spin his narrative on the internet.

He concedes that "yes they didn’t know what they were recording for, because we didn’t know either, we were just doing songs, organically". It's certainly not "we" as in "Cilvaringz and RZA were just doing songs organically". It's Cilvaringz. Being a hanger-on getting throw away verses which the emcees thought were for a lil tentatively wu-related underground album that barely anyone would give a fukk about. The fee would be more than they ever anticipated to get from royalties from the tracks, and that's why they were just happy "there was a bag".

After Cilvaringz snaps out of his delusion and realises that another Cilvaringz album would go triple-polystyrene, he switches the album up to be a Wu/Wu-Fam compilation. That's what he was biggin up on message boards at the time. Next thing you know it's a Clan album. As he says himself "we had a collection of songs that put together sounded like a Clan album". Confirming it never was a Clan album, and by extension RZA wasn't involved from the get-go otherwise it would've been a Clan album from day.

Cilvaringz also concedes it was his idea for the single copy. Why? To drive value. To increase his profit. He's been riding the coat-tails of the clan since he first came around. Cilvaringz album with Wu features? Won't sell that much, especially around the 2010's. A Wu/Wu-Fam compilation? Yeah, that'll make a little more. An official Clan album? Even in the 2010's that's going to generate a lot more than the other options. But wait.. A single copy of a secret Clan album that can only be heard by the owner and sold to the highest bidder? $$$$.

Cilvaringz says "only if we had a significant democratic majority to go ahead with it could we go to launch it" He doesn't say everyone was on board. He says Masta Killa was at the launch. Says Ghost and Rae showed public support, and that Meth publicly said he liked the idea. So it's obvious that there's members who didn't agree with this bullshyt otherwise that attention seeking dikkhead Cilvaringz would've categorically said every member was on board. It's egregious therefore for you to say "in reality it just did way better than they thought it would & they should just accept that since they signed off on it before knowing the level it would reach [but that's not realistic])" when there's members who didn't sign off on it.

As for your comment that "now they wanted the same percentage of that as they would have got in a 90s major label contract for a "Wu-Tang Clan" album". Why the fukk shouldn't they? It's now a Clan album isn't it? Cilva said himself "RZA then told me to call the Clan one by one and explain both the concept & Wu-Tang Clan accreditation of the project". So now it's a Wu-Tang Clan album. You record a "Clan album" in secret behind everyone's back, run to RZA to get the support to throw the Wu-Tang Clan name on it, make it a 1 copy deal and sell it to the highest bidder to make yourself as much money as you can, break RZA a big piece to get him onside, not every member agrees with it, then want to nickel-and-dime the artists who's fame, fans and art is making you your money.

No I don't suppose the Clan are happy with how this reflects on them, plus the Martin Shkreli shyt, but that's a satellite issue bordering on a strawman argument that Cilvaringz is hiding behind. It's (now) a Wu-Tang Clan album that has sold for millions. The members are within their right to ask for a decent fukkin percentage of that shyt, especially after being duped.

Cilvaringz has been riding on the coat-tails and milking the Wu connection since day 1 for his own personal gain.

Tbh i think every side is being that way

Wu want more money but at same time say they gave no effort. That isnt a good look and seems they were just taking homies money and he flipped the whole thing on them. none of then heard it but are shytting on it like they did. They didnt even rhyme to the beats he used. Plus, ringz didnt choose skreli. Rza did.


Ringz 100% does that. I didnt wan say it but yes he does. The whole “now we sell it for 28 mill so everyone gets paid” shyt is spin

But rza allowed it. He owns wu. Not the rest. They want a bigger cut? Shouodnt have left the company. Thats business. People forget rza let them all go for FREE while dre still pay eazy and suge. Lox had to threaten puff with dropping a fridge on his head just to let him still eat off them up until recently. They got so much money already, ringz couldnt even drop it without doing this. So the talk of them getting ripped off is cap. A risk was taken. It paid off. It coulda sold for 100k and he woulda lost everything. They took zero risk and now want rewards for things they say they barely tried on. Its badd all around for all parties involved.

If they believed in it and wanted a cut, shoulda did it for FREE and wait to see what happens or discussed rhis with ringz before signing off. They chose money up front. That means they dont get it on the back. Thats BUSINESS 101.

Ringz said on wu corp he sold his life rights for a big amount of loot. Hes taking major heat for sll this, maybe deservedly. Also hes doing part 2 so how much beef is there really. Idk. Guys get angry and talk to press then 10 min later arent. Whole thing seems blown out of proportion.

All i knownis wu wasnt on a global 2 year tour with nas before this. To say it hurt them, when it gave them 10 years of continous press in all media across the world… yea. It was a good thing imo. It seperated them from every other musician on earth and gave them HUGE prestige only rap fans knew. Now its known all over. Nothing any of them has done as of late has eclipsed the press they get from this.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Cilvaringz is being duplicitous and you're enabling him.

You notice in his Reddit post he uses "we" immediately before he name drops RZA to give the impression to readers that RZA was involved from the beginning and they were building the album together? That's the snake trying to spin his narrative on the internet.

He concedes that "yes they didn’t know what they were recording for, because we didn’t know either, we were just doing songs, organically". It's certainly not "we" as in "Cilvaringz and RZA were just doing songs organically". It's Cilvaringz. Being a hanger-on getting throw away verses which the emcees thought were for a lil tentatively wu-related underground album that barely anyone would give a fukk about. The fee would be more than they ever anticipated to get from royalties from the tracks, and that's why they were just happy "there was a bag".

After Cilvaringz snaps out of his delusion and realises that another Cilvaringz album would go triple-polystyrene, he switches the album up to be a Wu/Wu-Fam compilation. That's what he was biggin up on message boards at the time. Next thing you know it's a Clan album. As he says himself "we had a collection of songs that put together sounded like a Clan album". Confirming it never was a Clan album, and by extension RZA wasn't involved from the get-go otherwise it would've been a Clan album from day.

Cilvaringz also concedes it was his idea for the single copy. Why? To drive value. To increase his profit. He's been riding the coat-tails of the clan since he first came around. Cilvaringz album with Wu features? Won't sell that much, especially around the 2010's. A Wu/Wu-Fam compilation? Yeah, that'll make a little more. An official Clan album? Even in the 2010's that's going to generate a lot more than the other options. But wait.. A single copy of a secret Clan album that can only be heard by the owner and sold to the highest bidder? $$$$.

Cilvaringz says "only if we had a significant democratic majority to go ahead with it could we go to launch it" He doesn't say everyone was on board. He says Masta Killa was at the launch. Says Ghost and Rae showed public support, and that Meth publicly said he liked the idea. So it's obvious that there's members who didn't agree with this bullshyt otherwise that attention seeking dikkhead Cilvaringz would've categorically said every member was on board. It's egregious therefore for you to say "in reality it just did way better than they thought it would & they should just accept that since they signed off on it before knowing the level it would reach [but that's not realistic])" when there's members who didn't sign off on it.

As for your comment that "now they wanted the same percentage of that as they would have got in a 90s major label contract for a "Wu-Tang Clan" album". Why the fukk shouldn't they? It's now a Clan album isn't it? Cilva said himself "RZA then told me to call the Clan one by one and explain both the concept & Wu-Tang Clan accreditation of the project". So now it's a Wu-Tang Clan album. You record a "Clan album" in secret behind everyone's back, run to RZA to get the support to throw the Wu-Tang Clan name on it, make it a 1 copy deal and sell it to the highest bidder to make yourself as much money as you can, break RZA a big piece to get him onside, not every member agrees with it, then want to nickel-and-dime the artists who's fame, fans and art is making you your money.

No I don't suppose the Clan are happy with how this reflects on them, plus the Martin Shkreli shyt, but that's a satellite issue bordering on a strawman argument that Cilvaringz is hiding behind. It's (now) a Wu-Tang Clan album that has sold for millions. The members are within their right to ask for a decent fukkin percentage of that shyt, especially after being duped.

Cilvaringz has been riding on the coat-tails and milking the Wu connection since day 1 for his own personal gain.

Anyone saying a random moroccan dude should get more money than the actual artists is an opp

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Tbh i think every side is being that way

Wu want more money but at same time say they gave no effort. That isnt a good look and seems they were just taking homies money and he flipped the whole thing on them. none of then heard it but are shytting on it like they did. They didnt even rhyme to the beats he used. Plus, ringz didnt choose skreli. Rza did.


Ringz 100% does that. I didnt wan say it but yes he does. The whole “now we sell it for 28 mill so everyone gets paid” shyt is spin

But rza allowed it. He owns wu. Not the rest. They want a bigger cut? Shouodnt have left the company. Thats business. People forget rza let them all go for FREE while dre still pay eazy and suge. Lox had to threaten puff with dropping a fridge on his head just to let him still eat off them up until recently. They got so much money already, ringz couldnt even drop it without doing this. So the talk of them getting ripped off is cap. A risk was taken. It paid off. It coulda sold for 100k and he woulda lost everything. They took zero risk and now want rewards for things they say they barely tried on. Its badd all around for all parties involved.

If they believed in it and wanted a cut, shoulda did it for FREE and wait to see what happens or discussed rhis with ringz before signing off. They chose money up front. That means they dont get it on the back. Thats BUSINESS 101.

Ringz said on wu corp he sold his life rights for a big amount of loot. Hes taking major heat for sll this, maybe deservedly. Also hes doing part 2 so how much beef is there really. Idk. Guys get angry and talk to press then 10 min later arent. Whole thing seems blown out of proportion.

All i knownis wu wasnt on a global 2 year tour with nas before this. To say it hurt them, when it gave them 10 years of continous press in all media across the world… yea. It was a good thing imo. It seperated them from every other musician on earth and gave them HUGE prestige only rap fans knew. Now its known all over. Nothing any of them has done as of late has eclipsed the press they get from this.

Cilvaringz needed Wu, they don't need him

If they wanted to make an album on their own amd auction that shyt they could have

Sounds like bruh got all their verses under false pretenses

Like when ppl got a separate Big Boi and Andre 3k verse and put them together

Even if it's wildly successful, I will never support shady capitalism against other Black ppl

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

9x9= 81.
8+1 = 9

E X C E L L E N C E

 

[Bugzbunny129]

Cilvaringz needed Wu, they don't need him

If they wanted to make an album on their own amd auction that shyt they could have

Sounds like bruh got all their verses under false pretenses

Like when ppl got a separate Big Boi amd Andre 3k verse and put them together

Even if it's wildly successful, I will never support shady capitalism against other Black ppl

I get what ya saying

But in reality, tht math wu album started the SAME way

A meth/math album that couldnt get a release so they turned it into a “wu” album and ugod aint even on it and gza once.

Wu members have the same problem with rza for projects. And now ugod got rza making a solo for him.

Ringz cant do anything without rzas blessing. Ribgz came to staten island and they all recorded when they were available. Not like he went around the world and pieced shyt together. They recorded wu songs together. Ringz the type to pay you twice to redo a verse he thinks you can do better. To the clans “amusement”.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

I get what ya saying

But in reality, tht math wu album started the SAME way

A meth/math album that couldnt get a release so they turned it into a “wu” album and ugod aint even on it and gza once.

Wu members have the same problem with rza for projects. And now ugod got rza making a solo for him.

Ringz cant do anything without rzas blessing.

RZA is shady too

 

[Awesome Wells]

Corniest sh*t ever.

And RZA should've known that. This is on him.

They can't even agree on tour splits and splits from the retail albums. Why would anyone expect this concept to work when you're bringing in outside people who seem to have more stake in the product than the actual artists? This has already been an issue with Wu for decades. There was no way they all agreed to this and were cool with some third-party dork capitalizing on the brand without them having control over how this process was gonna go.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Slightly off-topic but I always thought this was an incredibly weak song on The Firm's album. In some parts it sounded to me like they were completely phoning it in

That was recorded in the studio, lol.

You can EQ vocals to sound like you're on the phone. Dre quarterbacked that one.

 

[Piff Perkins]

I don't believe anything he said.

Even if 90% of what he's saying is true I guarantee he didn't explain the album was going to be auctioned off for potentially millions of dollars. His own music was selling like 15 copies, Wu probably didn't ask for much money from him.

So they went to record under the assumption it would be another random Cilvaringz project. But it sells for $2 mill, then I think it recently sold for $4 mill. I'd be hot too.

EDIT:

As far as RZA I don't know how much blame he should hold since (as far as I know) he didn't work directly with Wu on this. It was them just doing random songs (or so they thought) for a Cilvaringz compilation. Then RZA set up the deal.

Fred.

I still blame RZA in the sense that this type of play couldn't happen without his direct involvement. Nobody in the art or business world gives a fukk about a random Arab dude claiming he's down with the Wu. RZA had to co-sign this for the money to flow.

 

[hex]

I still blame RZA in the sense that this type of play couldn't happen without his direct involvement. Nobody in the art or business world gives a fukk about a random Arab dude claiming he's down with the Wu. RZA had to co-sign this for the money to flow.

Yeah I'm definitely not saying he's blameless I'm just saying the extent of his blame is murkier than Cilvaringz.

And most of the Wu has worked with Cilvaringz at some point so it's not as if that's all on RZA.

Cilvaringz actually does a good 90's RZA impersonation so it sucks Wu won't work with him again.

Fred.

 

[Guvnor]

I bet him and Rza at the only ones who saw money from its sale.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

I get what ya saying

But in reality, tht math wu album started the SAME way

A meth/math album that couldnt get a release so they turned it into a “wu” album and ugod aint even on it and gza once.

Wu members have the same problem with rza for projects. And now ugod got rza making a solo for him.

Ringz cant do anything without rzas blessing. Ribgz came to staten island and they all recorded when they were available. Not like he went around the world and pieced shyt together. They recorded wu songs together. Ringz the type to pay you twice to redo a verse he thinks you can do better. To the clans “amusement”.

To be exact Cilvaringz Tariq sent 5 Dutch man's with money and equipment to record verses from artists, probably 45 percent of the material.
Cilvaringz did not fly over, apparently Remedy wanted to go toe to toe with him like no holds barred.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

I bet him and Rza at the only ones who saw money from its sale.

Divine big Brother!!

 

[nieman]

Anyone saying a random moroccan dude should get more money than the actual artists is an opp

He produced the entire thing, so by industry standard he automatically gets 50%.

And KillaBeez are on the album just as much as the Clan, if not I'm more, based on the only tracklisting ever released, so that's even less to each member.

 

[RoCKetSity256]

I read through everything and I feel like if Ringz knew what he would ultimately be doing with the album from jump then even though he paid for verses it was shady. But what everyone is saying is he came up with the 1 album auction shyt later on. Then that’s not shady. No one thought his album would make bread like that so they got paid for verses and forgot about the shyt. But he came up with a concept and capitalized off of it so nikkaz want to get paid a 2nd time around and now they talking down on the album since they ain’t getting another slice of the pie.