Clair Obscur Expedition 33 ending discussion

[Gizmo_Duck]

Who did you choose and who do you think was right?

After thinking about it for two weeks i guess the obvious answer is verso but it kinda defeats the purpose of the game if you choose that ending.

 

[Microfracture]

I chose Verso's ending because Maelle needed to accept Verso's death and move on with life in the real world. It gave her family closure, and though it's messed up she can't speak from the accident, I believe in ripping the bandaid off when it's time.

There's good arguments for either. When I watched Maelle's ending I was settled in my original decision. When you know the truth it's hard to keep carrying on with the lie.

They're all Verso's creations and if he says it's time to move on then so be it.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

I chose Verso's ending because Maelle needed to accept Verso's death and move on with life in the real world. It gave her family closure, and though it's messed up she can't speak from the accident, I believe in ripping the bandaid off when it's time.

There's good arguments for either. When I watched Maelle's ending I was settled in my original decision. When you know the truth it's hard to keep carrying on with the lie.

They're all Verso's creations and if he says it's time to move on then so be it.

It just feels weird to completely negate entire generations worth of expeditions, and sacrifice, and research, and tragedy/triumph.

also, verso just kind of deciding everyones fate himself, basically betraying everyone was selfish. I can’t buy into the idea that the canvas is just make believe and no one there is real. It’s like being cool with the entire party in FF7 and all the characters being obliterated by sephiroth to save one fukked up family in the end. With the only explanation being “well the ff7 dimension isn’t truly real, nothing you’re doing in this quest matters really”


these people have free will of their own, hence them fighting back against Renoir. They experience death, birth, trauma, friendships, they build and invent, they explore, they have their own ambitions, etc.

seems weird to write all that off so Dessendre’s can grieve

 

[[Something Cool]]

I think Verso’s ending was the right one. Playing through this game you knew the endings wouldn’t be “good”.

Maelle’s is worse since she is clearly is keeping a repainted Verso and his tortured soul alive against their will in order to keep the delusion going, which will ultimately kill herself and further strain her family. More than likely leading to the painting getting erased anyway.

She would’ve have better off keeping her word and going in and out of the painting instead of staying in it. No guarantee that Renoir wouldn't erase it once she’s out though.

Both ending were rough, but I liked them for what they were and they matched the tone of the game - wasn’t disappointed.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

No guarantee that Renoir wouldn't erase it once she’s out though.

Thats the thing, you pretty much have To sacrifice everyone you care about

 

[[Something Cool]]

Thats the thing, you pretty much have To sacrifice everyone you care about

Yeah, I agree it’s not an easy decision. You could see it on Lune’s face at the end. The team had a right to be pissed off. Verso made the decision for them and he used them to get it done. But if Verso’s soul (the ethereal boy) is tired of painting, it should be a wrap - it his canvas.

An aside, I do think it’s a dope concept that in this world in order to have the power to create you literally have to give a piece of your soul to do it. Literally artists putting their heart and soul into their work.

 

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

I chose Verso's ending because Maelle needed to accept Verso's death and move on with life in the real world. It gave her family closure, and though it's messed up she can't speak from the accident, I believe in ripping the bandaid off when it's time.

There's good arguments for either. When I watched Maelle's ending I was settled in my original decision. When you know the truth it's hard to keep carrying on with the lie.

They're all Verso's creations and if he says it's time to move on then so be it.

This. Plus seeing Maelle's face at the very end of her ending, it seemed like she was becoming distorted. Which makes sense since this world is essentially a creation from distortion. At least, after Paintress & Renior took ahold of Verso's painting. It also looks like her "happiness" in that scene is at the expense of the untrue Verso's request as well. He looks like he has a moment of lament just before he plays the piano at the end. Like his fate was sealed against his wishes. At least in untrue Verso's ending, it seems like the rest of the Expenditure 33 were acceptance of their world ending because they knew they weren't real.

 

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

It just feels weird to completely negate entire generations worth of expeditions, and sacrifice, and research, and tragedy/triumph.

also, verso just kind of deciding everyones fate himself, basically betraying everyone was selfish. I can’t buy into the idea that the canvas is just make believe and no one there is real. It’s like being cool with the entire party in FF7 and all the characters being obliterated by sephiroth to save one fukked up family in the end. With the only explanation being “well the ff7 dimension isn’t truly real, nothing you’re doing in this quest matters really”


these people have free will of their own, hence them fighting back against Renoir. They experience death, birth, trauma, friendships, they build and invent, they explore, they have their own ambitions, etc.

seems weird to write all that off so Dessendre’s can grieve

This you?

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

This you?

Maelle was literally born into the canvas world and spent the past 16 years of her life living in the same world as Lune, Gustavo, and Sciel. They aren’t any less real to her than her actual family who lowkey resent her.

its like you turning 16 and being told everything in your life is fake and doesn’t matter even though its all you know. I mean that could very well be the case right now.

 

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

Maelle was literally born into the canvas world and spent the past 16 years of her life living in the same world as Lune, Gustavo, and Sciel. They aren’t any less real to her than her actual family who lowkey resent her.

its like you turning 16 and being told everything in your life is fake and doesn’t matter even though its all you know. I mean that could very well be the case right now.

Yeah, however she very well knows the full scope of the real truth and has essentially lived both of her lives to that same age and has the full scale of all of her memories by the end of the game. So she still is uneqivocally aware that the painting....is just a painting.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Yeah, however she very well knows the full scope of the real truth and has essentially lived both of her lives to that same age and has the full scale of all of her memories by the end of the game. So she still is uneqivocally aware that the painting....is just a painting.

Its not just a painting its magic, they have the ability to create life.

 

[Microfracture]

It just feels weird to completely negate entire generations worth of expeditions, and sacrifice, and research, and tragedy/triumph.

also, verso just kind of deciding everyones fate himself, basically betraying everyone was selfish. I can’t buy into the idea that the canvas is just make believe and no one there is real. It’s like being cool with the entire party in FF7 and all the characters being obliterated by sephiroth to save one fukked up family in the end. With the only explanation being “well the ff7 dimension isn’t truly real, nothing you’re doing in this quest matters really”


these people have free will of their own, hence them fighting back against Renoir. They experience death, birth, trauma, friendships, they build and invent, they explore, they have their own ambitions, etc.

seems weird to write all that off so Dessendre’s can grieve

That's why the story is so good because you spend time with this party of dynamic characters that have relationships with each other that feel 100% real.

It reminds me of the Black Mirror episode on the spaceship, just because they're in an artificial space does that mean these characters aren't real?

My last thought was they are real, but they're ultimately creations from the mind of a dead man, and right or wrong I'm siding with the people living in the real world.

 

[42 Monks]

I was with Verso until I saw the end of Faux Alicia's story he's a fraud in every way that matters. Should've begged Renoir to off him at the beginning of Act 3

 

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

Its not just a painting its magic, they have the ability to create life.

My thing is, if they're really real, they should be able to bring them out of the painting as well. Yet that is never presented as an option. Which has me to believe it's due to it not being an option. So they're only as real as the painting.

 

[Microfracture]

Theres some Inception in this game too. Cobb's wife and Maelle make the same decision to get lost in the dream world.