Clair Obscur Expedition 33 ending discussion

[Gizmo_Duck]

He is essentially an extension of Verso… he knows how the real Verso feels as shown at the end when the essence of his soul (the kid painting) says he’s tired.

As said by Verso in his ending, she’s a painter… she can always paint and escape reality inside a canvas of her choosing. She could have honored her brothers wishes by letting him rest in peace, and created a new canvas with the people of Lumière.

Thats like when someone loses a child and someone telling you “just make another one”

lune, Gustavo, sciel are their own unique people.

 

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

Thats like when someone loses a child and someone telling you “just make another one”

lune, Gustavo, sciel are their own unique people.

Consider her magic tho, she could very well possibly remake them as a sheer 1:1, unlike parents creating more kids.

 

[42 Monks]

Maelle was tearing her whole family apart, literally killing herself, they hadn't even had a funeral for her brother. Staying in the matrix was the most selfish decision possible. Her father and sister just wanted to move on and start living but the canvas had Maelle and her mom acting like fiends trying to escape their problems.

so everybody gets to play god but her? i agree about her father but nobody gave a fukk about her but the real verso initially

and verso has been an unreliable narrator and by the worst hypocrite in the game. all he wanted to do was die - he couldn't even handle alicia checking out on him without saying anything to her first. but somehow he's setting the terms for everyone else? he's a coward wearing another man's skin.

if he goes up to the real renior and says "please end me now", act 3 wouldn't even have to play out

Consider her magic tho, she could very well possibly remake them as a sheer 1:1, unlike parents creating more kids.

you can't bring one paintings essence to another. they would not have been the same.

 

[42 Monks]

He is essentially an extension of Verso… he knows how the real Verso feels as shown at the end when the essence of his soul (the kid painting) says he’s tired.

As said by Verso in his ending, she’s a painter… she can always paint and escape reality inside a canvas of her choosing. She could have honored her brothers wishes by letting him rest in peace, and created a new canvas with the people of Lumière.

he's an extension, but not the same kind of man at all.

again - he can't claim to be looking out for maelle when he chose to let gustave, basically maelle's foster parent, die in front of her.

a lot of the 'verso was right' stuff only works if he's consistent, self sacrificing, and truly thinking of other people. he's not. he's a liar and a coward

and i like verso

 

[Barney Rubble]

so everybody gets to play god but her? i agree about her father but nobody gave a fukk about her but the real verso initially

and verso has been an unreliable narrator and by the worst hypocrite in the game. all he wanted to do was die - he couldn't even handle alicia checking out on him without saying anything to her first. but somehow he's setting the terms for everyone else? he's a coward wearing another man's skin.

if he goes up to the real renior and says "please end me now", act 3 wouldn't even have to play out

you can't bring one paintings essence to another. they would not have been the same.

The real Verso said he wanted her to stop. Throughout the whole game whenever you talk to him (the burnt boy), he wants it to end. Says he never wanted this. You want her to stay in the matrix against the real Verso's wishes? Let her kill herself? Kill her mother? Torture her father and sister? All so she doesn't have to face reality?

 

[Maude]

Thats like when someone loses a child and someone telling you “just make another one”

lune, Gustavo, sciel are their own unique people.

Are the expeditioner unique people or Lumiere created in Maelle's Image? After Act 2 everyone Gommaged so she had to repaint everyone she lost except Verso.

 

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

you can't bring one paintings essence to another. they would not have been the same.

I don't remember that. Who stated that and when?

And as for having Renior just end him. Weren't they by all accounts, still "immortal" in the painting? So how could he have?

 

[42 Monks]

I don't remember that. Who stated that and when?

And as for having Renior just end him. Weren't they by all accounts, still "immortal" in the painting? So how could he have?

When the Real Renior showed up, he immediately apologized to Fake Verso and offered him oblivion. FV didn't even want to speak in that encounter.

And as for moving between paintings, its not stated straight up but everything about Clea's approach to the start of Aline/Renoir's battle validates it. Even at a much, much smaller scale Clea would've been able to bring Esquie, Noco, Francois, and Monoco out to another recreational painting if it was possible but that wasn't even attempted either. Even those 'toys' wouldn't have been the same. People? Zero chance.

 

[billsburydoughboy]

The real Verso said he wanted her to stop. Throughout the whole game whenever you talk to him (the burnt boy), he wants it to end. Says he never wanted this. You want her to stay in the matrix against the real Verso's wishes? Let her kill herself? Kill her mother? Torture her father and sister? All so she doesn't have to face reality?

he's an extension, but not the same kind of man at all.

again - he can't claim to be looking out for maelle when he chose to let gustave, basically maelle's foster parent, die in front of her.

a lot of the 'verso was right' stuff only works if he's consistent, self sacrificing, and truly thinking of other people. he's not. he's a liar and a coward

and i like verso

Of course he's not the real Verso, but as stated by Barney, Verso's soul is the one who wants to be put to rest. Therefore I don't fault him for that.


As for the other stuff, on Verso being right or wrong... I don't think his end goal is wrong, but the way he went about it was wrong. So I agree with you to that extent. Instead of being forthcoming and transparent with his party, he lied and hid his true intentions. I understand why he did it. No one was going to be like yeah we'll help you end our entire existence. Kinda ironic he uses perfection in battle when his character is heavily flawed. With that being said, if Verso was a real one, he would have said, "Fine I'll do it myself".. ...even if it meant going against the squad.

 

[billsburydoughboy]

Thats like when someone loses a child and someone telling you “just make another one”

lune, Gustavo, sciel are their own unique people.

I mean that's essentially what the mom did... made another one. Made a whole entire family inside the canvas, while her actual family outside the canvas needed her. You're right, they are their own unique people. That's what makes the decision so complex. It's why you can't fault either Maelle or Verso for the choices they make.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

I mean that's essentially what the mom did... made another one. Made a whole entire family inside the canvas, while her actual family outside the canvas needed her. You're right, they are their own unique people. That's what makes the decision so complex. It's why you can't fault either Maelle or Verso for the choices they make.

And it created issues, imposter syndrome, existential crisis, etc.

the verso that exist in the painting was twisted, we only don’t see it because we play from his pov. He betrayed a whole other expedition before you and killed the woman he fell in love with.

like someone else said, look how easy it was for him to allow Gustave to be killed and all the people on the beach

 

[billsburydoughboy]

And it created issues, imposter syndrome, existential crisis, etc.

the verso that exist in the painting was twisted, we only don’t see it because we play from his pov. He betrayed a whole other expedition before you and killed the woman he fell in love with.

like someone else said, look how easy it was for him to allow Gustave to be killed and all the people on the beach

I'm not saying Verso wasn't a grimey dude. I alluded to that in my first post. Throughout the journey, he's easily a very likable character. He's charismatic, charming to the ladies, persuasive, etc. A trait that a lot of psychopaths actually have. So I see how he was able to fool his fellow party members even after stabbing them in the back the first time. I personally wouldn't have been as naive.... one time betrayal is enough for me. As the quote says, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

I'm not saying Verso wasn't a grimey dude. I alluded to that in my first post. Throughout the journey, he's easily a very likable character. He's charismatic, charming to the ladies, persuasive, etc. A trait that a lot of psychopaths actually have. So I see how he was able to fool his fellow party members even after stabbing them in the back the first time. I personally wouldn't have been as naive.... one time betrayal is enough for me. As the quote says, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

yeah, i think there’s no simple solution of re-painting people. I even think thats the main downside to Maelles ending….

the fact that she and her crew know she’s a paintress will inevitably cause problems. Basically maelle has to be completely fulfilled and happy in order to never leave the painting. Maybe even just her knowing its a painting will lead to things not feeling as fulfilling in the long term anyway.

Either way painted lumeire is a ticking time Bomb if the only thing stopping it from being destroyed is her being there. Unless something happens to Renoir or Clea in the real world

 

[billsburydoughboy]

yeah, i think there’s no simple solution of re-painting people. I even think thats the main downside to Maelles ending….

the fact that she and her crew know she’s a paintress will inevitably cause problems. Basically maelle has to be completely fulfilled and happy in order to never leave the painting. Maybe even just her knowing its a painting will lead to things not feeling as fulfilling in the long term anyway.

Either way painted lumeire is a ticking time Bomb if the only thing stopping it from being destroyed is her being there. Unless something happens to Renoir or Clea in the real world

Both endings have implications. In the Verso ending, now that his painting is destroyed, it seems the actual family will have to deal with the writers painters war. In Maelles ending, the new Verso potentially going rogue. There’s a lot the devs can do with this story.

 

[42 Monks]

Of course he's not the real Verso, but as stated by Barney, Verso's soul is the one who wants to be put to rest. Therefore I don't fault him for that.


As for the other stuff, on Verso being right or wrong... I don't think his end goal is wrong, but the way he went about it was wrong. So I agree with you to that extent. Instead of being forthcoming and transparent with his party, he lied and hid his true intentions. I understand why he did it. No one was going to be like yeah we'll help you end our entire existence. Kinda ironic he uses perfection in battle when his character is heavily flawed. With that being said, if Verso was a real one, he would have said, "Fine I'll do it myself".. ...even if it meant going against the squad.

He damn sure didn't have that "fine i'll do it myself" energy when seeing his fake sister.
When the real Renoir pulled up and said "yes you poor b*stard, you deserve an apology but all i can offer is oblivion" Verso was

shyt, he legit had the party taking the long way because he had the flying stone from the jump during all the Axon fights, he hoping they wouldn't snitch

so like... I *LIKE* Verso. He's a wonderfully written complex character. But him being right about anything is broken clock status. In his ending, Lune would've been 100% right to set him on fire until he gommaged lol