Clair Obscur Expedition 33 ending discussion

[42 Monks]

The real Verso said he wanted her to stop. Throughout the whole game whenever you talk to him (the burnt boy), he wants it to end. Says he never wanted this. You want her to stay in the matrix against the real Verso's wishes? Let her kill herself? Kill her mother? Torture her father and sister? All so she doesn't have to face reality?

What's left of the real verso *can* stop. shyt, Maelle can leave whenever she wants too. The biggest thing about the endings is that some people trust the Fake Verso as a reliable narrator and decision maker and others refuse to lol

The audacity of that clown to start quoting the real Renoir AFTER the party beat him and sent him off like bro he could've put you out of your misery on the way home too

"You lied to your father just now" when the end of his relationship tree with Maelle isn't lie about killing her family or tell the truth about killing her family.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Didn’t get to the end yet but ima chose maelle cause her family ain’t shyt.

I chose her and the homies over whatever they got going on outside.

 

[klientel]

And it created issues, imposter syndrome, existential crisis, etc.

the verso that exist in the painting was twisted, we only don’t see it because we play from his pov. He betrayed a whole other expedition before you and killed the woman he fell in love with.

like someone else said, look how easy it was for him to allow Gustave to be killed and all the people on the beach

I don’t think he was twisted.

That expedition actually betrayed him and Renoir first because they found out they were immortal and didn’t trust them. They were forced to kill them.

Then the two basically split from there...

Painted Renoir decided to just killed expeditions to protect Aline.

Painted Verso realized being in the painting was killing Aline and was actually helping expeditions reach her to pull her out and save his "mom". Even if that meant unleashing the real Renoir and everyone getting gommaged, which he was ok with at this point because this shyt was a mess.

Also he let Gustave die because he knew how close Maelle was to him and if she learned the truth she would never let him be gommaged to save the REAL family(he was 100% right btw). Basically all he was trying to do was end this shyt and protect his real family even if it meant the painted version of him dying. He was never a bad guy.

To be honest Maelle is the real villain. Shes basically the paintress now, and has everyone in this fake reality because she cant deal with loss. At the same time she now has her real family going through hell again because they are about to lose another child.

 

[42 Monks]

I don’t think he was twisted.

That expedition actually betrayed him and Renoir first because they found out they were immortal and didn’t trust them. They were forced to kill them.

Then the two basically split from there...

Painted Renoir decided to just killed expeditions to protect Aline.

Painted Verso realized being in the painting was killing Aline and was actually helping expeditions reach her to pull her out and save his "mom". Even if that meant unleashing the real Renoir and everyone getting gommaged, which he was ok with at this point because this shyt was a mess.

Also he let Gustave die because he knew how close Maelle was to him and if she learned the truth she would never let him be gommaged to save the REAL family(he was 100% right btw). Basically all he was trying to do was end this shyt and protect his real family even if it meant the painted version of him dying. He was never a bad guy.

To be honest Maelle is the real villain. Shes basically the paintress now, and has everyone in this fake reality because she cant deal with loss. At the same time she now has her real family going through hell again because they are about to lose another child.

Painted Verso could've helped Clea wrap all this up too how come we never got that full story

oh because he was having a good time at one point

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I don’t think he was twisted.

That expedition actually betrayed him and Renoir first because they found out they were immortal and didn’t trust them. They were forced to kill them.

Then the two basically split from there...

Painted Renoir decided to just killed expeditions to protect Aline.

Painted Verso realized being in the painting was killing Aline and was actually helping expeditions reach her to pull her out and save his "mom". Even if that meant unleashing the real Renoir and everyone getting gommaged, which he was ok with at this point because this shyt was a mess.

Also he let Gustave die because he knew how close Maelle was to him and if she learned the truth she would never let him be gommaged to save the REAL family(he was 100% right btw). Basically all he was trying to do was end this shyt and protect his real family even if it meant the painted version of him dying. He was never a bad guy.

To be honest Maelle is the real villain. Shes basically the paintress now, and has everyone in this fake reality because she cant deal with loss. At the same time she now has her real family going through hell again because they are about to lose another child.

The families reason for wanting maelle and the mom out of the painting seemed selfish to me.

It’s not like they just wanted them out so they could all be a happy family.

They wanna fight whatever war they got going on.

From what i gathered they didn’t treat maelle very well and she was manipulated and used by everyone to get what they wanted in the moment.

Can’t really fault a grieving mom for getting lost in a place where here family is healed and whole

Maelle as she exists now has more a bond and a responsibility to the people inside the painting. Wouldn’t expect her to just let them die.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

The families reason for wanting maelle and the mom out of the painting seemed selfish to me.

It’s not like they just wanted them out so they could all be a happy family.

They wanna fight whatever war they got going on

Thats only Clea, Renoir wants Aline out of the painting because she’s physically dying

clea is the one who wants them all done with the painting to go fight the war. Thats why she created the nevrons

 

[billsburydoughboy]

He damn sure didn't have that "fine i'll do it myself" energy when seeing his fake sister.
When the real Renoir pulled up and said "yes you poor b*stard, you deserve an apology but all i can offer is oblivion" Verso was

shyt, he legit had the party taking the long way because he had the flying stone from the jump during all the Axon fights, he hoping they wouldn't snitch

so like... I *LIKE* Verso. He's a wonderfully written complex character. But him being right about anything is broken clock status. In his ending, Lune would've been 100% right to set him on fire until he gommaged lol

Verso was him until he wasn't.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Thats only Clea, Renoir wants Aline out of the painting because she’s physically dying

clea is the one who wants them all done with the painting to go fight the war. Thats why she created the nevrons

still, i feel like everybody was using maelle as a tool for their own ambitions.

If you chose her ending it’s the first time she gets to make a conscious informed decision about what she wants.

 

[klientel]

The families reason for wanting maelle and the mom out of the painting seemed selfish to me.

It’s not like they just wanted them out so they could all be a happy family.

They wanna fight whatever war they got going on.

From what i gathered they didn’t treat maelle very well and she was manipulated and used by everyone to get what they wanted in the moment.

Can’t really fault a grieving mom for getting lost in a place where here family is healed and whole

Maelle as she exists now has more a bond and a responsibility to the people inside the painting. Wouldn’t expect her to just let them die.

Thats just Clea though, she wanted to fight a war. And specifically she wanted Renoir to leave the painting to help her, so she created Nevrons to keep the expeditioners chroma from returning to Aline and continously weakening her. She didn't give a shyt about Aline and Alicia staying in.

Aline was in full delusional grief mode
Renoir was literally just trying to save his family and get them out of the paintings. Same for Painted Verso.
Alicia is just there

So I wouldnt say the family is selfish. shyt I wouldnt even say Clea is selfish, she's trying to protect her family and her people in the REAL world. She also wants this fake shyt to stop.

 

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

still, i feel like everybody was using maelle as a tool for their own ambitions.

If you chose her ending it’s the first time she gets to make a conscious informed decision about what she wants.

Eh....in what world is anyone letting a child have such a decision. Especially when her senior family members are right there saying to go left.

 

[klientel]

still, i feel like everybody was using maelle as a tool for their own ambitions.

If you chose her ending it’s the first time she gets to make a conscious informed decision about what she wants.

And she creates some fukked up reality, with the soul of her dead brother trapped playing piano for everyone while she slowly dies. And now her father is probably spiraling in the real world because hes about to lose his daughter and will likely come back in the painting to gommage everyone and start this shyt all over again.

The family was right to not let her make any choices. The one time Renoir did, she lied and now is about to fukk over the family. This is why Verso had the good ending, its time for people them to move on.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

And she creates some fukked up reality, with the soul of her dead brother trapped playing piano for everyone while she slowly dies. And now her father is probably spiraling in the real world because hes about to lose his daughter and will likely come back in the painting to gommage everyone and start this shyt all over again.

The family was right to not let her make any choices. The one time Renoir did, she lied and now is about to fukk over the family. This is why Verso had the good ending, its time for people them to move on.

IMO Renoir isn’t justified in his actions.

Life broke his Wife and Daughter.

If they are happy to spend time in the painting then he’s selfishly choosing his own happiness over theirs. Putting all types of beings including his own family though terrible heartache for his own selfish reasons.

If maelle wants to spend the rest of her days happy to be withering away with the people she loves, then she should be able to make that choice.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Did they ever say how the fire that killed verso was started anyway??

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Eh....in what world is anyone letting a child have such a decision. Especially when her senior family members are right there saying to go left.

These people seem pretty fukked up. Don’t think any of them are making sound decisions

 

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

These people seem pretty fukked up. Don’t think any of them are making sound decisions

Who's making more sound decisions tho. fukked up adults or fukked up children?