Clair Obscur Expedition 33 ending discussion

Who was right?

  • Verso

  • Maelle


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Gizmo_Duck

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My thing is, if they're really real, they should be able to bring them out of the painting as well. Yet that is never presented as an option. Which has me to believe it's due to it not being an option. So they're only as real as the painting.

What if the painting is just like a planet they’re trapped on, similar to us humans not really being able to exist in space for long periods of time.?

What if we’re just dead white Jesus’ refrigerator drawing?
 

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Theres some Inception in this game too. Cobb's wife and Maelle make the same decision to get lost in the dream world.

They were both manipulated to believe their existence is real, and who’s to say it’s not really?

What if Mal killed herself in the “real world” and woke up in another? If you want to get truly meta with it, the dessendre’s aren’t real either, they are in a game fighting imaginary “writers”

You have to really make peace with these polygons over here are less “real” than those polygons over there, and the game spent 40 hours convincing me my crew were real people.
 

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They were both manipulated to believe their existence is real, and who’s to say it’s not really?

What if Mal killed herself in the “real world” and woke up in another? If you want to get truly meta with it, the dessendre’s aren’t real either, they are in a game fighting imaginary “writers”

You have to really make peace with these polygons over here are less “real” than those polygons over there, and the game spent 40 hours convincing me my crew were real people.

There's not much to suggest the family isn't real so I can't make that leap. With what we've been given so far the family is real and the paintings are the created worlds. They did leave space for "writers vs painters" so we'll see but with the evidence we got in this game I'm still Verso
 

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:mjlol: I agree with OP. I think they sold out on the ending. The Maelle ending should have been more nuanced instead of telling the player you chose the "bad" ending. The entire game suits the Maelle ending more, yet they punish the player for choosing that ending. Verso was no saint; he got a bunch of people killed and betrayed everyone. Selfishly choosing himself over a genocide is "good"? Bullshyt.
 
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Who did you choose and who do you think was right?

After thinking about it for two weeks i guess the obvious answer is verso but it kinda defeats the purpose of the game if you choose that ending.

One ending gives closure and the other doesn't. I actually chose Maelle on the first play through because I felt like I'd get a typically open-ended French ending. I did. :russ:
 

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:mjlol: I agree with OP. I think they sold out on the ending. The Maelle ending should have been more nuanced instead of telling the player you chose the "bad" ending. The entire game suits the Maelle ending more, yet they punish the player for choosing that ending. Verso was no saint; he got a bunch of people killed and betrayed everyone. Selfishly choosing himself over a genocide is "good"? Bullshyt.
its bad for verso. and fukk em tbh :mjlol: shout out to Gustave and the 33ers. play that shyt :umad:
 
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There's so many complex layers to this story...I chose Verso... Although I didn't want the world inside the painting to end, Verso's soul would suffer for an eternity. It's hard to let go, or come to terms of losing a loved one, so I understood where Maelle was coming from. However, I feel like I made the right choice after watching Maelle's ending where Verso says, "I don't want this life". To drive the point home, she repaints him into the world, and you can clearly tell his soul is in for more torment instead of being able to rest.

With that being said, Verso must have been d***ing Lune and Sciel down something serious. :wow: He really stabbed them in the back, they were bought back to life by Maelle, and he was able gain their trust back easily.
 

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There's so many complex layers to this story...I chose Verso... Although I didn't want the world inside the painting to end, Verso's soul would suffer for an eternity. It's hard to let go, or come to terms of losing a loved one, so I understood where Maelle was coming from. However, I feel like I made the right choice after watching Maelle's ending where Verso says, "I don't want this life". To drive the point home, she repaints him into the world, and you can clearly tell his soul is in for more torment instead of being able to rest.

With that being said, Verso must have been d***ing Lune and Sciel down something serious. :wow: He really stabbed them in the back, they were bought back to life by Maelle, and he was able gain their trust back easily.

if we go by Verso’s logic he’s not a real person with real feelings and emotions so who gives a fukk about him?

Maelle’s real life is a hell-ish nightmare, she’s disfigured and neglected by her family, and now the life she knew for the past 16 years where she was actually happy is ending? Naw
 

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I chose Maelle but logically it feels like Renoir/Verso is correct while emotionally I can understand why Maelle wants the life she has now to continue vs going back to the "real world". The choice at the end of the game is the happiness of some vs the happiness of the many, the many being this created world that has had seemed completely real until literally a few hours ago. I believe that Maelle could have unpainted Verso to respect his wishes and still kept her wish of staying in this world. But at the end of the day expecting a 16-year old to be unselfish is a fools task.
 

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Maelle was tearing her whole family apart, literally killing herself, they hadn't even had a funeral for her brother. Staying in the matrix was the most selfish decision possible. Her father and sister just wanted to move on and start living but the canvas had Maelle and her mom acting like fiends trying to escape their problems.
 

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I chose Maelle, the painting is still a "real" world with sentien beings and lets be real, Alicia is a deformed mute monster, nothing for her in her original World
 

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I chose Maelle but logically it feels like Renoir/Verso is correct while emotionally I can understand why Maelle wants the life she has now to continue vs going back to the "real world". The choice at the end of the game is the happiness of some vs the happiness of the many, the many being this created world that has had seemed completely real until literally a few hours ago. I believe that Maelle could have unpainted Verso to respect his wishes and still kept her wish of staying in this world. But at the end of the day expecting a 16-year old to be unselfish is a fools task.
The painting was said to literally be his essence, essentially. I don't think the world works any longer without some sentiment of him existing with it.
 

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if we go by Verso’s logic he’s not a real person with real feelings and emotions so who gives a fukk about him?

Maelle’s real life is a hell-ish nightmare, she’s disfigured and neglected by her family, and now the life she knew for the past 16 years where she was actually happy is ending? Naw
She said she didn't actually feel happy until the Expedition began. It was only then where she expressed feeling a sense of belonging. She said she felt like she was not like the rest in their world and that's because she's literally not of it.
 
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if we go by Verso’s logic he’s not a real person with real feelings and emotions so who gives a fukk about him?

Maelle’s real life is a hell-ish nightmare, she’s disfigured and neglected by her family, and now the life she knew for the past 16 years where she was actually happy is ending? Naw
He is essentially an extension of Verso… he knows how the real Verso feels as shown at the end when the essence of his soul (the kid painting) says he’s tired.

As said by Verso in his ending, she’s a painter… she can always paint and escape reality inside a canvas of her choosing. She could have honored her brothers wishes by letting him rest in peace, and created a new canvas with the people of Lumière.
 
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