Clair Obscur Expedition 33 ending discussion

[42 Monks]

that's the price for the end of act 1. So fukk him.

ijs if we're acting like the game is very well written - which it is - then you gotta lay out everything equally

this dikkhead let gustave die, which he acknowledged ahead of time as maelle's guardian (and also very likely to be more involved in raising her than her actual real parents), then WALKED THEM TO THE FUNERAL not even getting into how he did Julie and other expeditioners dirty

if anybody deserves hell its him. he easily could've raised his hand when the real renior appeared "please gommage me. im tired boss" and everything is gravy

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

ijs if we're acting like the game is very well written - which it is - then you gotta lay out everything equally

this dikkhead let gustave die, which he acknowledged ahead of time as maelle's guardian (and also very likely to be more involved in raising her than her actual real parents), then WALKED THEM TO THE FUNERAL not even getting into how he did Julie and other expeditioners dirty

if anybody deserves hell its him. he easily could've raised his hand when the real renior appeared "please gommage me. im tired boss" and everything is gravy

My only explanation for the verso fandom is maybe people missed a lot of his backstory

he doesn’t give a fukk about Maelle at all lol

 

[5n0man]

Nothing wrong with running away from your problems tbh, especially when you’re living as a disfigured burn victim, yeah most of us would rather live an alternative ‘illusion’ of a life At that point. People do it everyday in the real world.

Yes there is something wrong with that.

…and ‘illusion’ is kind of the key word here. Once again, you have to totally disregard the idea that Lune, Sciel, Gustave, etc. are real people with their own free will, emotions, ambitions, etc. and if you do that then the game essentially becomes pointless.

They aren't real people, they're figment of a dead man's imagination. The game was about accepting loss and overcoming grief. Maelle's ending was basically choosing not to, it was her making the same mistake her mother did.

If by the end of the game you really don’t give a fukk about anyone in lumiere, then you could have just sat down at the last gommage, cancelled the next 10 or so expeditions and let everyone eventually get Wiped if all you want is to help the Dessendre’s. Thats essentially Renoir and Clea’s long term plan.

There's a real world outside, Maelle needs to go out and paint her own world. Her withering away in a fantasy land is not what the real verso wanted for her.

 

[5n0man]

verso is wiping out a pocket dimension because he's legit worse off

the fact he got the nerve to get mad about anything while his goal is a grand suicide and nothing else gets glossed over like crazy

He's wiping out a pocket dimension that HE created because its destroying the people he cares about.

His soul is the one trapped in the canvas, and his family selfishly refuses to let him rest.

 

[42 Monks]

He's wiping out a pocket dimension that HE created because its destroying the people he cares about.

His soul is the one trapped in the canvas, and his family selfishly refuses to let him rest.

painted verso didn't create shyt but broken homes

and if you really want to get deeper into it, why didn't painted renior agree with verso's nuclear option? the very first thing renior does when he recognizes maelle is try to push her out of the painting in hopes of waking her up.

dude is such a great liar that he's got players thinking there was only one way out of this too lol

 

[Don Homer]

i finished the game a few weeks back

Since I did verso's ending and maelle's, i'd have to say verso's ending was better because Maelle's seemed to be really selfish

 

[hex]

painted verso didn't create shyt but broken homes

and if you really want to get deeper into it, why didn't painted renior agree with verso's nuclear option? the very first thing renior does when he recognizes maelle is try to push her out of the painting in hopes of waking her up.

dude is such a great liar that he's got players thinking there was only one way out of this too lol

Granted I'm jumping into this discussion when it's already a few posts deep so maybe I'm missing some context but Renoir was going to destroy the canvas regardless. It's why Maelle never wanted to leave.

Fred.

 

[42 Monks]

Granted I'm jumping into this discussion when it's already a few posts deep so maybe I'm missing some context but Renoir was going to destroy the canvas regardless. It's why Maelle never wanted to leave.

Fred.

The painted versions of characters are getting credit for what the real versions did. They're not 1 for 1 copies either - they're Aline's mental image of them.

And Aline's version of Verso is a manipulator to the core

i finished the game a few weeks back

Since I did verso's ending and maelle's, i'd have to say verso's ending was better because Maelle's seemed to be really selfish

Is there anything more selfish than telling someone else how to grieve after lying non stop, committing suicide and blowing up a pocket dimension in the process? lol

This is the same dude who killed Julie because he was a coward from the start

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Right, painted verso is nothing like the real verso, he can’t speak for him. From what we know the real verso was selfless as he literally sacrificed himself in a fire to save Maelle. The painted verso has killed people and sabotaged and manipulated to Get what he wants. He’s a twisted mirror of the real one.

which also goes into my explanation as to why the painted people aren’t just 1:1 puppets of the painter or outside world, they are their own self aware individuals.

“VERSO! “

 

[5n0man]

painted verso didn't create shyt but broken homes

and if you really want to get deeper into it, why didn't painted renior agree with verso's nuclear option?

Painted verso was trying to do what the real renior was going to do, Which was destroy the Painting. Painted Renior wanted to protect the paintress's destructive grieving process. Painted verso agreed with Painted Renior until he realized how fukked up the situation was.

the very first thing renior does when he recognizes maelle is try to push her out of the painting in hopes of waking her up.

dude is such a great liar that he's got players thinking there was only one way out of this too lol

Verso manipulated everyone, but that really was the only way out. Alicia and her mother had to go face their actual reality and stop playing god in the canvas of a dead man.

 

[42 Monks]

Painted verso was trying to do what the real renior was going to do, Which was destroy the Painting. Painted Renior wanted to protect the paintress's destructive grieving process. Painted verso agreed with Painted Renior until he realized how fukked up the situation was.

Verso manipulated everyone, but that really was the only way out. Alicia and her mother had to go face their actual reality and stop playing god in the canvas of a dead man.

That's really oversimplified - go back to my point about Painted Renoir meeting Maelle at the end of Act 1 and trying to 'wake her up' or force her out of the painting then and there. Painted Verso knew of Maelle back when she was still in Lumiere, he kept that from Painted Renoir the entire time. They had other options before the game even started lol

Plus, the only reason the Real Renoir wanted the painting destroyed was because it was Aline's tie to grief. Maelle is not there for the same reason at all - she's only there to help them both in the first place. She didn't hop in to grieve, she came in to get them out. And when Aline got booted out, the only real thing that needed to be worked out was Real Renoir/Maelle. And they work it out.

The whole "Maelle would never leave because of her grief" doesn't work at all unless you buy what Painted Verso is selling - and he's literally lied constantly to everyone.

 

[5n0man]

That's really oversimplified - go back to my point about Painted Renoir meeting Maelle at the end of Act 1 and trying to 'wake her up' or force her out of the painting then and there. Painted Verso knew of Maelle back when she was still in Lumiere, he kept that from Painted Renoir the entire time. They had other options before the game even started lol

Painted Renoir tried to send maelle back because he knew she was there to kick the paintress out, and he wanted to protect the paintress. Why would Verso tell Painted Renoir when Clea sent her there to go against Painted Renoir.

If there were other options, they were never addressed during the game.

Plus, the only reason the Real Renoir wanted the painting destroyed was because it was Aline's tie to grief. Maelle is not there for the same reason at all - she's only there to help them both in the first place. She didn't hop in to grieve, she came in to get them out. And when Aline got booted out, the only real thing that needed to be worked out was Real Renoir/Maelle. And they work it out.

The real Renoir was right for wanting the painting destroyed. Maelle was supposed to be there to get her mother out, but decided that the fantasy world was better than her reality and wanted to stay and make the same mistake as her mother.

The whole "Maelle would never leave because of her grief" doesn't work at all unless you buy what Painted Verso is selling - and he's literally lied constantly to everyone.

But that's the implication of her ending, while verso's ending shows the family finally putting him to rest and grieving together.

It's objectively the correct choice, regardless of how wrong you feel Verso was throughout the game.

 

[Rain]

Just finished the game and chose Verso's ending. All i can say is

The writing was top notch. Story was captivating. Gameplay was addicting 10/10

 

[42 Monks]

Painted Renoir tried to send maelle back because he knew she was there to kick the paintress out, and he wanted to protect the paintress. Why would Verso tell Painted Renoir when Clea sent her there to go against Painted Renoir.

If there were other options, they were never addressed during the game.

The real Renoir was right for wanting the painting destroyed. Maelle was supposed to be there to get her mother out, but decided that the fantasy world was better than her reality and wanted to stay and make the same mistake as her mother.

But that's the implication of her ending, while verso's ending shows the family finally putting him to rest and grieving together.

It's objectively the correct choice, regardless of how wrong you feel Verso was throughout the game.

You're still running into all of this backwards because you're giving weight to a guy who's lied nonstop lol

The very premise of "Maelle is hiding in the painting to grieve" makes no sense because that's objectively not even the reason she's there

 

[MuzzyP]

Went with Maelle and have no regrets.

Found a video that put my feelings into words better than I ever could.