Classics Discussion: Jay-Z

Which of these Jay-Z albums are classic?

  • Reasonable Doubt: YES

    Votes: 163 93.1%
  • Reasonable Doubt: NO

    Votes: 8 4.6%
  • In My Lifetime, Vol. 1: YES

    Votes: 27 15.4%
  • In My Lifetime, Vol. 1: NO

    Votes: 100 57.1%
  • Vol. 2, Hard Knock Life: YES

    Votes: 41 23.4%
  • Vol. 2, Hard Knock Life: NO

    Votes: 91 52.0%
  • Vol. 3, Life and Times of S.Carter: YES

    Votes: 12 6.9%
  • Vol. 3, Life and Times of S. Carter: NO

    Votes: 109 62.3%
  • The Dynasty: YES

    Votes: 14 8.0%
  • The Dynasty: NO

    Votes: 107 61.1%
  • The Blueprint: YES

    Votes: 148 84.6%
  • The Blueprint: NO

    Votes: 21 12.0%
  • The Black Album: YES

    Votes: 114 65.1%
  • The Black Album: NO

    Votes: 47 26.9%

  • Total voters
    175
  • Poll closed .

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70% of people saying something is a classic = classic. :manny:

we wanted to be a little stricter tbh. I believe TBA is a classic but as you can see it is not quite as certified as the other two.
 

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70% of people saying something is a classic = classic. :manny:

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@arel how old are you? This is not even a diss, but someone asking about the Black Album's impact cannot be in their 20s. The Black Album had monster singles "Dirt Off Your Shoulder" "99 Problems" (and a classic music video). It had songs that are still performed to this day by Jay and are part of hip hop and pop culture to the point where Tom Brady's entrance music is December 4th. It also had Threat which put 9th Wonder on the map. Then other classic album cuts like Moment of Clarity that was debated forever because of the "if skills sold" line. "I don't wear jerseys I'm 30+." Jerseys ended shortly thereafter and cats started wearing those awful button ups. More importantly, an entire generation of today's current crop of rap's elite believe it is a classic (from Drake to J. Cole to Wale to Kendrick who says it is better than the Blueprint). Like I said, if you don't think TBA is a classic then you have to be in your mid to late 30s. Not only was it great rapping, it basically transitioned Jay Z into the next phase of his career as "rap mogul Jay." TBA is as much a pop culture classic as it is a hip hop classic. (See Rollingstone rating it as the 14 best album of the 2000s).

I could argue TBA did more for Jay's career than the Blueprint did. TBA is what he tries to recreate with BP3 and MCHG but fails at doing.

I mean impact is vague. I don't deny it has (or at least its big songs have) relevance. I don't see what influence it has had tho. Is being referenced the same as being influential? Is being revered the same as influential? I don't see it so. Anycases I said it was probably canonical. Again I must point out, if there is a misunderstanding here, please see the post to which I originally refer for some sort of explanation (as snarky as you may believe this to be). Don't see rap mogul jay was an on record thing (and certainly not exclusive to tba) so I can't chalk that up as tba's influence. (This age thing is a nonsense and a distraction)(I also made a post itt addressing the problematic nature of generation-specificity)
 

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70% of people saying something is a classic = classic. :manny:

Side note:

@arel how old are you? This is not even a diss, but someone asking about the Black Album's impact cannot be in their 20s. The Black Album had monster singles "Dirt Off Your Shoulder" "99 Problems" (and a classic music video). It had songs that are still performed to this day by Jay and are part of hip hop and pop culture to the point where Tom Brady's entrance music is December 4th. It also had Threat which put 9th Wonder on the map. Then other classic album cuts like Moment of Clarity that was debated forever because of the "if skills sold" line. "I don't wear jerseys I'm 30+." Jerseys ended shortly thereafter and cats started wearing those awful button ups. More importantly, an entire generation of today's current crop of rap's elite believe it is a classic (from Drake to J. Cole to Wale to Kendrick who says it is better than the Blueprint). Like I said, if you don't think TBA is a classic then you have to be in your mid to late 30s. Not only was it great rapping, it basically transitioned Jay Z into the next phase of his career as "rap mogul Jay." TBA is as much a pop culture classic as it is a hip hop classic. (See Rollingstone rating it as the 14 best album of the 2000s).

I could argue TBA did more for Jay's career than the Blueprint did. TBA is what he tries to recreate with BP3 and MCHG but fails at doing.


If you not a bboy from that era.
How are you able to say a record culturally is a classic.
Especially in a culture where revision is not welcomed.
Especially by culture thieves trying to find an in into a culture.
A culture, they would not give a fukk about.
if it did not have a profit that could be attained.
I take you rap fans like ras take reggae fans.
You not supposed to be having a governing opinion in cultural music you not actually a part of.
Nor, is your opinion honed cultural, and your large influx of oversaturated posers still won't change the real.
I listen to reggae music but I never go in a reggae club.
Then, blatantly tell ras who is real.
or who is a culturally associated artist.
Yet, rap fans try to come in my culture and talk about shyt in my culture and think they govern the culture, and you don't.

Y'all don't have any say about the culture of hiphop and you are not a part of hiphop.

You, nikkaz would get scalped for telling an Indian.
at a rain dance he don't know about rain dance music,....
Same here,...you getting clowned and sonned trying to tell a real bboy about rap music,..especially:


Art Barr

Now, as far as black album.
The shyt is not wrote by jayz so how is it a classic.
You can't have a classic rap album and you did not write the rhymes simple as that.
Not to mention, just because defjam reorganized.
After, failing to capitalize on big's posthumous death, originally on iml volume I.
I can't honor defjam figuring out how to market.
To make a posthumous emotional grief loss draw out of jay after big.
Like it was an actual extension of what culturally hiphop was about.
When, nuffin jay is about is about the cultur of hiphop.
Jay is a poser toy nikka from the Mecca.
Who was connected in pr to big who people have an emotional loss to from jiggy sellout content driven rap exploding.
People like to over process that emotional loss.
like it authenicates jay when it did not.
Jay was a culture thief since his debut.
His whole entire crew and just emotional sentiment and loss aided to cover up and allow him.
to draw in the same manner erroneously like puff on nwo.
It just failed the first go round and the second go round in volume ii materialized because of the lack of any quality material being released then.
Plus, the fact the media was splintered and manipulated by Rupert Murdoch's son.
who was also trying to steal the draw of underground rap and make it racial as well.
So, all this shyt was manipulated and I am not going.
Nor, will I honor the revision.
As, the entire rap world was preyed on and I am really the only one who actually fought the fight.
While ALL my contemporaries sold out.
To create the erosion and reason we are where we are, NOW.

for guys who were not around.
Don't believe this false jiggy toy poser narrative, that sellouts are trying to write into fake existence.
Like the gold rush of rap, documentary that was out out by stoute on vh1.
Like it was always these associated and fake accepted sellouts in rap..most of the rappers you see are the very sellouts for exactly why.
shyt is so boring, wack and culturally deficient with no draw whatsoever right now.
Jayz included as well.

In general, and this goes for ANYONE IN GENERAL.
the attempted revision must stop, if it don't.
imma table you, and you gon emotional problems from some GIFs and smilies wondering what happened.

Play with it if you want,...a real bboy ain't going.
For you nikka confused.
You, confused cause you a fukk'n toy.


Art Barr
 
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If you not a bboy from that era.
How are you able to say a record culturally is a classic.
Especially in a culture where revision is not welcomed.
Especially by culture thieves trying to find an in into a culture.
A culture, they would not give a fukk about.
if it did not have a profit that could be attained.
I take you rap fans like ras take reggae fans.
You not supposed to be having a governing opinion in cultural music you not actually a part of.
Nor, is your opinion honed cultural, and your large influx of oversaturated posers still won't change the real.
I listen to reggae music but I never go in a reggae club.
Then, blatantly tell ras who is real.
or who is a culturally associated artist.
Yet, rap fans try to come in my culture and talk about shyt in my culture and think they govern the culture, and you don't.

Y'all don't have any say about the culture of hiphop and you are not a part of hiphop.

You, nikkaz would get scalped for telling an Indian.
at a rain dance he don't know about rain dance music,....
Same here,...you getting clowned and sonned trying to tell a real bboy about rap music,..especially:


Art Barr

Now, as far as black album.
The shyt is not wrote by jayz so how is it a classic.
You can't have a classic rap album and you did not write the rhymes simple as that.
Not to mention, just because defjam reorganized.
After, failing to capitalize on big's posthumous death, originally on iml volume I.
I can't honor defjam figuring out how to market.
To make a posthumous emotional grief loss draw out of jay after big.
Like it was an actual extension of what culturally hiphop was about.
When, nuffin jay is about is about the cultur of hiphop.
Jay is a poser toy nikka from the Mecca.
Who was connected in pr to big who people have an emotional loss to from jiggy sellout content driven rap exploding.
People like to over process that emotional loss.
like it authenicates jay when it did not.
Jay was a culture thief since his debut.
His whole entire crew and just emotional sentiment and loss aided to cover up and allow him.
to draw in the same manner erroneously like puff on nwo.
It just failed the first go round and the second go round in volume ii materialized because of the lack of any quality material being released then.
Plus, the fact the media was splintered and manipulated by Rupert Murdoch's son.
who was also trying to steal the draw of underground rap and make it racial as well.
So, all this shyt was manipulated and I am not going.
Nor, will I honor the revision.
As, the entire rap world was preyed on and I am really the only one who actually fought the fight.
While ALL my contemporaries sold out.
To create the erosion and reason we are where we are, NOW.

for guys who were not around.
Don't believe this false jiggy toy poser narrative, that sellouts are trying to write into fake existence.
Like the gold rush of rap, documentary that was out out by stoute on vh1.
Like it was always these associated and fake accepted sellouts in rap..most of the rappers you see are the very sellouts for exactly why.
shyt is so boring, wack and culturally deficient with no draw whatsoever right now.
Jayz included as well.

In general, and this goes for ANYONE IN GENERAL.
the attempted revision must stop, if it don't.
imma table you, and you gon emotional problems from some GIFs and smilies wondering what happened.

Play with it if you want,...a real bboy ain't going.
For you nikka confused.
You, confused cause you a fukk'n toy.


Art Barr
I'll admit i don't always agree with your posts, but I do appreciate reading your opinions and insight. It's kinda off topic, but what's your opinion of some of the new school artists like Drake, J. Cole, and Kendrick Lamar?
 

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This is Jay's personal ranking. (Besides the fact he was trying to push MCHG)

Everything above MCHG is CLASSIC or a personal classic to me. AG only isn't a classic bc looking back, I don't think it'll be remembered as much by the masses as the obvious ones. But it's funny how I personally think all the albums below MCHG are garbage COMPARED TO the one above it. Jay's with the shyts, and for the most part, this poll is pretty spot on.
 

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I'll admit i don't always agree with your posts, but I do appreciate reading your opinions and insight. It's kinda off topic, but what's your opinion of some of the new school artists like Drake, J. Cole, and Kendrick Lamar?


Make a thread and do the same and I will reply about them.
Jay is to large a draw and polarizing sellout character to have a discussion about them in his thread.
Most of the erosion comes from jay as a draw culturally.
So, I would want to keep a thread about his culture thievery about his own culture thievery.

Art Barr
 

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I wouldn't be mad if someone says those are his four best songs ever


Imo, his best records are;

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Imaginary player
People's court
Where I'm from
Show you how to do this


Off the top of my head, I feel those are his best solo records.

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Make a thread and do the same and I will reply about them.
Jay is to large a draw and polarizing sellout character to have a discussion about them in his thread.
Most of the erosion comes from jay as a draw culturally.
So, I would want to keep a thread about his culture thievery about his own culture thievery.

Art Barr
U a slick talking brother I bet u get over on mofos ur whole life :russ:
 
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