Classics Discussion: Notorious B.I.G., Digable Planets & Mos Def

[str8up]

breh the latest thread is up

follow the hashtag #coliclassics to stay up to date

did a thread on Busta Rhymes and Big L. click on the tag and see it.

as for tonight, I don't have anyone in mind. willing to hear suggestions.

Quik, Snoop, AZ, Three 6, Xzibit

Not sure if you've done any of those, but I'd like to see what the coli thinks about them

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Quik, Snoop, AZ, Three 6, Xzibit

Not sure if you've done any of those, but I'd like to see what the coli thinks about them

I'm gonna try stick with the more obvious ones now and then move on to the likes of AZ etc.

Ghost today, Snoop tomorrow.

 

[Taadow]

Ok so there's 2 love songs on RTD. What about all the songs? That doesn't help your argument my nikka... the majority of the album is still about hardship in Brooklyn.

"One More Chance" is a "love song" to you? LMAO

And this doesn't help your argument, because you are the one who said "fillers" are the ones that aren't on theme with the rest.
I didn't say that.

By your definition of "filler", "One More Chance" don't fit the theme of hardship in Brooklyn.
How do you reconcile a song with him talmbat his staying "Coogi down to the socks, rings and watch filled with rocks" and buying a broad
"crushed linen and Cartier wristwear with diamonds in them" as him talkin' about "hardship"?

And the fact you so readily were willing to agree it doesn't fit with "the majority of the album", kills your argument.

That wasn't my argument.
I said "filler" doesn't fit (not just the "theme" but the "sound"), AND doesn't really add anything of substance.

And how does Juicy sound like it should be on Life After Death when it's another song about him being broke? He doesn't talk about his experiences having money on that song. He talks about being broke.

No..."Juicy" talks about how he USED TO BE broke.

It "WAS all a dream".
He "USED TO read Word Up Magazine"
...but now (as he says multiple times), "It's all good."

Didn't you say Life After Death was about him not being broke anymore?

Warning would be a better example but he's talking about having money in the hood. Still doesn't help your argument cause 85% of that album has a constant theme.

Again - that's not my argument.

And read what I said again. I said you not liking Love The Dough more than Brooklyn's Finest is irrelevant. The reason you say it's filler is cause you don't like it. That's not what filler is. It sounds like Mo Money Mo Problems. Cause it's the same theme.

Okay...now you go back and read what I said again.

I didn't say "I Love The Dough" was filler because "I don't like it"...as a matter of fact, I didn't even say I don't like it!!

Point blank - this is what i'm saying: a song is "filler" because of these two things:

1. It doesn't fit the album/sounds out of place.
2. It doesn't add anything of substance to the album.

In the case of "I Love The Dough", this means...
after you've listened to the sparse, dark, heavy, somber words and beats of "Somebody's Gotta Die", "Hypnotize", "Kick In The Door",
"Fuccin' You Tonight", and "Last Day"...

...it's weird to hear this bouncy, upbeat track with the synths that isn't saying anything.
I mean really, what was the message that you came away with after listening to that song?
Jay and B.I.G. love having money? Oh - that's new.

...and then "What's Beef" comes on afterwards.

"I Love The Dough" doesn't fit with the rest of those songs, mayne.

 

[kingofnyc]

I'm worry about the quality when we talk about masterpieces, or quality albums...I think there is a difference between those
and "classics". Something can be a "classic" and not a be a "masterpiece", and vice wersa...but most of the time "masterpieces"
are considered "classics", which is where it gets muddy.



...like this for example. Dead Serious is not a "masterpiece", but it is absolutely a "classic".
That mugg was a GAME CHANGER. People know that chit, and not just "Mic Checka" and "They Want EFX".
Folks know "Looseys" (for better or for worse, ROFL)...and that's one of those albums that most niccas had, no
matter where they were from or what they were doing. You can see the influence it had on other rappers during that time.



See above.

I think there is a long list of "classics", but I think there is a short list of "masterpieces".

You hit the nail on the head with The Score. Hella folks bought that, but so? Like you yourself say "other
than the singles I can't give you one quote from that album". Me neither. And I never cared enough to re-listen,
(except for "Cowboys") and I bet most people are in the same boat as you and I. So what the hell is notable
about it to where it is "classic" status?



Word? Every song on Ready To Die is about being broke? What about "One More Chance"?
That ain't about him being "broke, depressed and trying to make money"...matter of fact, on that he tells you he's the Player President!
That doesn't fit with the rest of that...

And by your logic, "Juicy" should be on Life After Death.

Life After Death doesn't have any songs about being poor? What about "Fuccin' You Tonight"?

And I didn't say "I Love The Dough" is as good as Brooklyn's Finest. I said "Brooklyn's Finest" was better.
Here's why that's not "irrelevant" - most of the world heard "Brooklyn's Finest" and thought it was dope.
Next, we hear they got a track together on Big's album and Mo Bee did the beat. We was expecting some hard chit,
and we got the lazy sample with the re-flipped hook and empty rhymes about being rich. Those three coulda did better than that
on this "5-mic" album. And that song sounds even worse in between ultra-dope songs like "Last Day" and "What's Beef".

My opinion of filler isn't "songs I don't like"...as I said before, I don't even think filler songs are necessarily bad.
But there is such a thing as a song that doesn't fit with the rest of the album - not just topically, but sonically -
and Life After Death has some.

the one more chance
song your referring to ...player president.... is the remix which was done much later mid '95ish after going platnuim & being the No1 artist in hiphop, the original song on the album was about the local hood shorties giving him 1 more chance over the other hood shorties he was fukking


i love the dough
yes brooklyn finest was hard as fukk - but why would they do another gutta joint - esp at this time in hip hop was transition from dat grimey shyt to player shyt, and the 2 best flossin nikkaz in game were jay & big
its an incredible song with anglea windbrush singing the hook (how many artist could pull that off with both songs done less than a year apart)


juicy
it shouldnt have been on LAD
if u listen to the opening of the track -it was all a dream-
in '97 that wasnt a dream it was his reality

 

[Taadow]

the one more chance
song your referring to ...player president.... is the remix which was done much later mid '95ish after going platnuim & being the No1 artist in hiphop, the original song on the album was about the local hood shorties giving him 1 more chance over the other hood shorties he was fukking

Fair. But that still doesn't have chit to do with him "being poor", and it wasn't a "love song" like ol' dude was saying.

i love the dough
yes brooklyn finest was hard as fukk - but why would they do another gutta joint - esp at this time in hip hop was transition from dat grimey shyt to player shyt, and the 2 best flossin nikkaz in game were jay & big
its an incredible song with anglea windbrush singing the hook (how many artist could pull that off with both songs done less than a year apart)

You saying this like it was some impressive feat. Nah.

juicy
it shouldnt have been on LAD
if u listen to the opening of the track -it was all a dream-
in '97 that wasnt a dream it was his reality

Like I told ol' boy, this would make 100% sense if he didn't rap that song in the PAST TENSE.
He didn't say "this is just a dream, I still read word up magazine", and he finished each verse
saying "it's all good", not how he was still struggling.

 

[kingofnyc]

Fair. But that still doesn't have chit to do with him "being poor", and it wasn't a "love song" like ol' dude was saying.

it had everything to do with him bring poor -its all about hood rats chicks.... hood rats chicks only live in da hood

and i wouldnt persay its a love song - but more of a sex song (but if u think about it - some hood ghetto chicks interpret fukking with loving)

You saying this like it was some impressive feat. Nah.

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yeah, its a great song
i challenge u or anybody else to come up with a better duo song (with all the mc elements) in it

Like I told ol' boy, this would make 100% sense if he didn't rap that song in the PAST TENSE.He didn't say "this is just a dream, I still read word up magazine", and he finished each verse saying "it's all good", not how he was still struggling.

u wayyyyyy over analyzing this
its obvious he doesn't have most of the shyt he rapping bout & esp when u watch the video
it was basically an introduction of him (where he came from to what he would become) in which he indeed achieved

 

[The Ruler 09]

breh the latest thread is up

follow the hashtag #coliclassics to stay up to date

did a thread on Busta Rhymes and Big L. click on the tag and see it.

as for tonight, I don't have anyone in mind. willing to hear suggestions.

Here's some suggestions for future artists....

Cormega
Big Daddy Kane
Slick Rick
AZ
Kool G Rap
Public Enemy
LL Cool J
Canibus
Kool Moe Dee
Ras Kass
Dr Dre
Snoop Dogg
Blu
Shyne
Lauryn Hill
The Fugees
Jedi Mind Tricks
Queen Latifah
Atmosphere
Brother Ali
Mase
Raekwon
Bizzy Bone
Method Man
Z-Ro
50 Cent
Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five
Group Home
Beastie Boys
Run DMC
EPMD
The D.O.C
The Roots
Talib Kweli
CNN

 

[Taadow]

it had everything to do with him bring poor -its all about hood rats chicks.... hood rats chicks only live in da hood

and i wouldnt persay its a love song - but more of a sex song (but if u think about it - some hood ghetto chicks interpret fukking with loving)

Whatever, mayne...ioneven know where to start with that...

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yeah, its a great song
i challenge u or anybody else to come up with a better duo song (with all the mc elements) in it

Sheeit - we already been talkin' about one: "Brooklyn's Finest"! lol

And you don't wanna do that challenge, bruh. There are almost 40 years worth of duo songs better than "I Love The Dough".

u wayyyyyy over analyzing this
its obvious he doesn't have most of the shyt he rapping bout & esp when u watch the video
it was basically an introduction of him (where he came from to what he would become) in which he indeed achieved

I'm not overanalyzing this...i'm just going off the rhymes he said.

When you talk about a song, the only thing you have to "analyze" is what the song gives you.

 

[Knicksman20]

#tpc
#tnt
@Nomad1 @AJtheOne @Wally Russell @Rapmastermind @Billy Ocean
Biggie Smalls is the illest

Your style is played out like Arnold & that what you talkin' bout Willis

 

[Knicksman20]

Fits the theme of the album and a great song. Describe the definition of filler

And it would've been a hit radio single had he been alive to promote it with a video too