Cleveland Found a Win-Win Situation With the Isaiah Thomas Trade

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Trading an All-Star and getting better in the short and long term isn’t easy. Just look at how little the Pacers received for Paul George. And then Tuesday happened. The Cavs got everything they wanted from the Celtics: an All-Star (Isaiah Thomas), a defensive-minded rotation player (Jae Crowder), and two intriguing future pieces in Ante Zizic and the Nets’ unprotected first-rounder in 2018. They might have made this trade even if Kyrie didn’t want out.

Cleveland can plug Thomas into Irving’s role without missing a beat. He was a better version of Kyrie last year, at least in the regular season. They are both ball-dominant point guards who can score at will but struggle on defense. The difference is Thomas scored more often and more efficiently, despite playing with significantly worse teammates:

Thomas vs. Irving: Scoring Efficiency

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Defenses sold out to stop Thomas, double-teaming and shadowing him all over the court, knowing guys like Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart, Al Horford, and Crowder couldn’t consistently punish them when left open. Thomas had a prime Allen Iverson season, but better, carrying a team full of role players to the no. 1 seed in the East. The Celtics were tied with the Warriors for the best offensive rating in the NBA (113.6) when Thomas was in, and they were dead last (99.0) when he was out. It was the exact opposite of the situation in Cleveland, where Kyrie got to play off one of the best players of all time. You can see the difference in the way the two point guards were guarded by the types of shots they took, per the tracking numbers at NBA.com:

Thomas vs. Irving: Shot Selection

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% of Tightly Contested Shots % of Wide-Open Shots

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Kyrie has the edge on Isaiah in long-term upside. Thomas is coming off a serious hip injury that knocked him out of the Eastern Conference finals, and he’s an extremely undersized guard turning 29 in the last year of his deal, hoping for max contract. And while neither is good defensively, Kyrie has the physical tools to compete on that side of the ball if he ever puts his mind to it. The only way Thomas could guard bigger and taller NBA players is if someone gave him a broomstick. Kyrie proved his worth in the past three NBA Finals, where he consistently lit up the Warriors, and it’s unclear whether Thomas could do something similar in a seven-game series against elite defenders like Klay Thompson and Andre Iguodala. Against the Lineup of Death, the only way to keep Thomas on the floor is to hide him on Iguodala, which is where the Cavs have traditionally put Kevin Love. Everything Cleveland does has to be viewed through the prism of Golden State, so the Cavs would have come out worse in the exchange if this were a one-for-one swap.

What makes the deal great for the Cavs is the other pieces. Crowder is known more for his favorable contract than anything he does on the court, but he’s a versatile defender who can slide between three positions and move the ball and knock down open shots on offense. He’s an upgrade over guys like Richard Jefferson, a 37-year-old going into his 17th season; Iman Shumpert, who lost the trust of the coaching staff by refusing to play within himself; and the newly acquired Jeff Green, who is now on his fifth team in the past four seasons. With Crowder and Cedi Osman, a 2015 second-round pick coming over to the NBA after a strong season overseas, Tyronn Lue can put next to LeBron two 3-and-D forwards who are in their athletic prime and know how to play basketball. They could also try to move Love for several more of those players in order to better match up with the Warriors. Either way, there is plenty of low-hanging fruit when it comes to improving Cleveland’s supporting cast. They consistently fell apart last season, with a net rating of minus-8.5, in the rare times LeBron wasn’t in. He will now have more chances to rest, which is huge for a guy who has played in the past seven Finals and is entering his 15th NBA campaign.

Even Zizic, the forgotten player in this trade, could help the Cavs. A 2016 first-round pick of the Celtics, Zizic was voted the Top Prospect in the Adriatic League two years ago, an award previously won by Dario Saric and Nikola Jokic, and he had great per-minute numbers last year as a starting center in the EuroLeague, where he played for former Cleveland coach David Blatt. Boston’s original plan was to start the 20-year-old upfront next to Horford, but that was put on hold after his disappointing showing in summer league. At 6-foot-11 and 250 pounds, Zizic is the type of traditional center rapidly falling out of favor around the NBA, but he gives Cleveland a backup to Tristan Thompson with the size to bang in the post, block a few shots, clean the defensive boards, and roll to the rim, something they didn’t have last season.

The Cleveland Cavaliers Found a Win-Win Situation With the Isaiah Thomas Trade
 

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i'm a big IT guy breh. but ya'll nikkas never played with a fast shorty before? sh1t tiring as hell. i was like damn i ain't into cardio like that. i'm sure nba PGs be like sh1t i ain't into cardio like that
Yeah, teams are going to be able to focus better and shut down a lot of Isaiah's shyt in the playoffs. Hell, Cleveland did it. It'll be tougher to do with LeBron out there, and the other part people have just seemed to forget about... this shyt could actually be an opportunity for Kevin Love to put more of an imprint on the game. He has to show out this year.
 

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In the short term, Cleveland wins because of this trade. But it's a short-lived victory because both Bron and IT can bounce after this season. And there's a chance that Nets pick won't be a top 5 pick.
How you figure Nets pick wont be top 5? :heh:

Nah it was a good move for Cleveland in both the short and long term, def made the best out of a shyt situation.
 

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How you figure Nets pick wont be top 5? :heh:

Nah it was a good move for Cleveland in both the short and long term, def made the best out of a shyt situation.

The East got worse. Multiple teams have lost marquee players to the West. Those teams will be actively tanking. Meanwhile, the Nets added D'Angelo Russell and Atkinson is saying that they won't tank. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Brooklyn finishes between 10-12 in the East. And then you gotta think about the worst teams in the West.

Sure Cleveland could end up winning with that Nets pick but it's far from a lock and the East is shaping up to be a tank job for most teams in the East outside of a handful.
 

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In the short term, Cleveland wins because of this trade. But it's a short-lived victory because both Bron and IT can bounce after this season. And there's a chance that Nets pick won't be a top 5 pick.

If Bron leaves it'll be a a top 3 pick. :umad:

Look at what we got (Kyrie) the last time he left, that shyt was all on purpose.
 

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The East got worse. Multiple teams have lost marquee players to the West. Those teams will be actively tanking. Meanwhile, the Nets added D'Angelo Russell and Atkinson is saying that they won't tank. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Brooklyn finishes between 10-12 in the East. And then you gotta think about the worst teams in the West.

Sure Cleveland could end up winning with that Nets pick but it's far from a lock and the East is shaping up to be a tank job for most teams in the East outside of a handful.
Yeah but everyone else in the bottom 5 after Brooklyn, got better.

I just dont see it. Sure there will be a few teams tanking to start over in the East, but even still, who do you really see being worse than the Nets? D'tective aint enough, Its a bottom 3 guaranteed.
 

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Yeah but everyone else in the bottom 5 after Brooklyn, got better.

I just dont see it. Sure there will be a few teams tanking to start over in the East, but even still, who do you really see being worse than the Nets? D'tective aint enough, Its a bottom 3 guaranteed.

Chicago, Indiana, and Orlando.
 

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Yeah but everyone else in the bottom 5 after Brooklyn, got better.

I just dont see it. Sure there will be a few teams tanking to start over in the East, but even still, who do you really see being worse than the Nets? D'tective aint enough, Its a bottom 3 guaranteed.

Chicago, Orlando, Atlanta and Indiana are CLEARLY worse than Brooklyn. After that you got Sacramento, Los Angeles, New York, Dallas and Phoenix who could potentially be worse than Brooklyn when it's all said and done.
 
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