Clippers Hire Ty Lue

[Don Homer]

Smh poor Sam cassel

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Except for the guy who replaced him and immediately added nearly 20wins to their record and a playoff birth with effectively the same exact roster

They added 17 wins because the entire team was healthy for once.

In 2018 Gordon/Fournier/Vucevic missed 25 games EACH, Terrance Ross missed nearly 60 games and Jonathan Issac missed 55 games. NONE of the rotation players on the Magic averaging 25 minutes/game or more played more than 69 games that year.

In 2019 Gordon/Fournier/Vucevic only missed 2 or 3 games each, Ross played 81 games and Issac played 75 games. EVERY rotation player averaging 25+ minutes/game played 75+ games that year.

Going from having your top 6-7 players miss 238 games to having them only miss 17 games combined is easily worth 17 extra wins, especially when you consider that everyone had an extra year to build chemistry together.

 

[momma]

To be fair, no coach could win in Orlando with that roster back then.

Vogel never got a fair shake, he was coaching an injured squad for most of his 2 years

But I think Orlando's always fielded good talent since the Dwight trade, they should have been playing .500 level ball in the East. But their front office didn't stick with a coach and there was never any system or roster continuity. Their player development has also been lackluster until as of late.

 

[momma]

Lebron got him that bag

no offense to Lue but like Vogel and Brown he’s a average coach who was lucky enough to have the best player on the planet on his team

Fans think he's just a player's coach when in reality Lue is solid at X's and O's. It takes great coaching to win a championship, double that to come back from 3-1 against a 73-9 team. Doesn't matter if you have LeBron, no coach lucks into winning a ring.

Vogel is also far from average on the defensive end

 

[Trot LaRoc]

Dat LeBron stimulus

 

[Trot LaRoc]

Why would BIllups turn down GM job for assistant coach gig? This is hustling backwards

Cavs are a shyt organization without Bron

Gilbert seems like a total a$$hole

I wouldnt take that job either

 

[Kiyoshi-Dono]

Happy for my nikka Big Shot

 

[Left.A1]

Project your ignorance onto others brehs.

You haven't displayed a cogent enough point here to make me feel as though I shouldn't assume ignorance of this topic coming from your end

I was a Larry Brown fan before he had ever won shyt, he made every team he went to better.

Ok...

The superiority of the scheming of coaches like Chuck Daly and Popovich is obvious. To just claim that superstars made them is a bunch of bullshyt.

Take away their superstars and they do not have their rings

Phil Jackson scared me when he joined the Lakers (both times)

Irrelevant anecdote... I doubt any serious basketball observer/participant would claim to be more fearful of a Phil Jackson in comparison to superstars such as Michael Jordan/Kobe Bryant or Shaquille O'Neal

MJ/Kobe/Shaq as #1's never won shyt without him.

Correlation =\= Causation obviously

Jordan never won without Pippen either whats your point...

The respect players have for Pat Riley is legendary. And the Warriors looked completely different under Steve Kerr than they did under Mark Jackson.

Irrelevant Fluffery in the first half ... Steve Kerr also took over a team that had already won 51 games the previous year who's star players were just entering their primes ... insinuating that he came in a did some sort of wizardry from scratch is of course a misnomer as we've seen the wizard promptly post a disgusting (league worst) 15-50 record when removed from his superstars

If you wanna claim that these coaches only have reputations due to the players, then you're claiming those players don't know shyt. Because players are giving those coaches huge props for what they accomplished.

Im claiming that without their superstars they wouldn't have their championship victories as made evident by Steve Kerr and his 15-50 record this season

There are superstars all over the league. Most of them ain't doing any winning unless they're under a great coach.

Don't know what you mean precisely by "aint doing any winning" however if you're referencing champions this same caveat would also apply to the 29 losing coaches that get sent home with nothing every season ... its a rather irrelevant & obvious notion to dredge up as some sort of trump card tipping in coaches favor when only 1 team can win each year of course

Pop didn't have any superstars in 2014. Wade in his 2nd year wasn't known as an MVP-level superstar like that yet when Riley got his 5th chip. Even the 1999 Spurs, you know that 2nd-year Duncan ain't doing shyt without Pop leading the way. Where were Shaq and Kobe, Malone and Stockton?

An enormous amount of mental gymnastics in the passage "Wade wasn't known as a superstar like that yet" what does that even mean regarding his on the court production


Bringing up Greg Popovich in 99 essentially underscores my point even further ..in 1997 his superstar goes down with injury and he promptly goes 17-47 for the remainder of that season which leads him to getting arguably some would say the best PF the league has ever seen with the #1 pick ... now stacked with another superstar big man to add to his already existing HOFer in Robinson he rides the great Tim Duncan to his 1st of 5 championships just two season after that abysmal superstar depleted 1st year .... this was really a terrible example on your end


"Where were Shaq & Kobe / Malone & Stockon" is this word soup supposed to be a rhetorical question or something ... please elaborate

Way to just post shyt without reading.

Chuck Daly and Larry Brown did NOT coach superstar-driven teams. There were plenty of bigger superstars in the NBA. They coached well-balanced, well-coached teams that used defensive schemes to win.

Chuck Daly coached Isaiah Thomas (who you're now insinuating wasn't a superstar out of desperation) ... leaving you with Larry Brown as literally the lone example to highlight your already fleeting point .... which of course only underscores how much of an exception that instance is to the clear historical rule I've referenced

 

[NormanConnors]

Lead Your Flock Lue!!!

Trade Trez
Trade Lou
Sign Mark Price
Sign Sam Perkins
Sign Bradley Beal
Sign Drazen Petrovic

then we pillage

 

[Left.A1]

They added 17 wins because the entire team was healthy for once.

Team was 11-23 before Vucevic was hurt

11-15 before Evan & Gordon were hurt

In 2018 Gordon/Fournier/Vucevic missed 25 games EACH, Terrance Ross missed nearly 60 games and Jonathan Issac missed 55 games. NONE of the rotation players on the Magic averaging 25 minutes/game or more played more than 69 games that year.

In 2019 Gordon/Fournier/Vucevic only missed 2 or 3 games each, Ross played 81 games and Issac played 75 games. EVERY rotation player averaging 25+ minutes/game played 75+ games that year.


Going from having your top 6-7 players miss 238 games to having them only miss 17 games combined is easily worth 17 extra wins, especially when you consider that everyone had an extra year to build chemistry together.

2017 Gordon played 80 games / Vuc played 75 games / Evan 66 games


Team had 29 wins

 

[NatiboyB]

Smh poor Sam cassel

shyt sam cassell, udoka, a few others even hammonds. They just keep the same players.

 

[NatiboyB]

Cavs are a shyt organization without Bron

Gilbert seems like a total a$$hole

I wouldnt take that job either

as a Cavs fan we were good during the gund years. We just ran into MJ and the Bulls...But yes outside of Bron we haven’t produced. I don’t even like our draft picks. Only one we hit on was Kyrie. I think Tristan was over drafted waiters ain’t that good. Wiggins was traded for Love. Bennet is the biggest bust ever. Sexton is cool. I don’t like garland. But either way I will agree...something about the owners personality doesn’t help us along with the location. I wish Gilbert could just buy the pistons and let someone else own the cavs

 

[Trot LaRoc]

as a Cavs fan we were good during the gund years. We just ran into MJ and the Bulls...But yes outside of Bron we haven’t produced. I don’t even like our draft picks. Only one we hit on was Kyrie. I think Tristan was over drafted waiters ain’t that good. Wiggins was traded for Love. Bennet is the biggest bust ever. Sexton is cool. I don’t like garland. But either way I will agree...something about the owners personality doesn’t help us along with the location. I wish Gilbert could just buy the pistons and let someone else own the cavs

The late 80s/early 90s Cavs were legit. Price, Daughtery...solid squads

I more meant once the late 90s hit, it was str8 garb til Bron came. And he left they were cheeks again till he came back. He left and they again

 

[KingBeez]

This probably deserves its own thread, but I’ll just leave this in here:

This is from an article on the athletic:

“Players like Beverley, Montrezl Harrell and Lou Williams — Clippers bedrocks before the arrival of Leonard and George — bristled when Leonard was permitted to take games off to manage his body and to live in San Diego, which often led to him being late for team flights, league sources said. The team also allowed Leonard to dictate to Rivers when he could be pulled from games, among other things. Lue was on Rivers’ bench for all of this, but the Clippers were Rivers’ show.”

Never knew how much of a Diva Kawhi really was. Lue handled Bron pretty decently, but this Clippers team is beyond toxic when you throw in Lemon Pepper Lou, Pandemic P, and Pat Bev into the mix

Article:
In Tyronn Lue, the Clippers found a familiar coach who can bring needed changes

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Team was 11-23 before Vucevic was hurt

11-15 before Evan & Gordon were hurt

So the team was 4 games below .500 in Dec 2017, easily could have finished around .500 as they came together if it hadn't been for the entire lineup getting hurt, and you're big-upping them finishing at .500 nearly 2 years later in May 2019?

2017 Gordon played 80 games / Vuc played 75 games / Evan 66 games


Team had 29 wins

Gordon in 2017 was just 21 and hadn't developed yet. Founier/Ross/Vucevic were all young guys too. Two years of the same squad playing together makes a big difference.

Now you're talking a coach managing to get 13 more wins out of the same core of players after an extra two years of development and chemistry and getting perfect health all year. I'm not seeing that as clear evidence that he did a much better job. Vogel might easily have been pulling that same record with that same group in a healthy season after an extra two years together.