Clipse album produced by Pharrell LET GOD SORT EM OUT Discussion thread JULY 11TH

[JustCKing]

That's the booth's problem..

I can assure you, fans of Pusha T could give a fukk less about album sales

They do. The Booth will juelz around it, but there's posts on this thread discussing first week numbers for this album. Numbers matter regardless of how hard posters on here say otherwise. If this album does more than expected, best believe Pusha T fans are goongnto blow it up.

 

[JustCKing]

At what point did I mention music? I'm saying all the deals outside of music.

Hell, mentioning his music not selling like that actually reinforces my point.

Fred.

And who cares about that?

Don't really see how the numbers reinforces your point. The McDonalds commercial is literally a Justin Timberlake song written by Pusha T, not a Pusha T/Clipse song featured in a McDonalds commercial. They were featured on the first single to Justin Timberlake's solo debut and performed the song on the VMA's. Pusha T was featured on Kanye's "Runaway", which was also performed at the VMA's. Grand opportunities that bigger artists ain't even have. Opportunities that really didn't translate to anything. And here we are talking about fashion shows.

 

[Mike Wins]

And who cares about that?

Don't really see how the numbers reinforces your point. The McDonalds commercial is literally a Justin Timberlake song written by Pusha T, not a Pusha T/Clipse song featured in a McDonalds commercial. They were featured on the first single to Justin Timberlake's solo debut and performed the song on the VMA's. Pusha T was featured on Kanye's "Runaway", which was also performed at the VMA's. Grand opportunities that bigger artists ain't even have. Opportunities that really didn't translate to anything. And here we are talking about fashion shows.

Define "didn't translate to anything." Most professional musicians goal is to create a catalog they proud of and make money. He did both and continues to do so.

 

[RennisDeynolds]

Grindin’ put them on the map - that was 20 years ago and outside of LW, all the Clipse albums have been commercial failures. HHNF did 80k in 2006 when people were going platinum left, right and centre and TTCD did 39k first week in 2009, way before streaming was even regarded a thought. First album was shelved before LW came out 3 years after….in normal circumstances, he would’ve been dropped and left to fend for himself on the indie circuit. Slim Thug’s album on Star Trak did 130k first week which is more than any Pusha album, solo or group and he was dropped with the quickness.

Lot of focus on numbers but the point is that he has the relationship with the same producer for 20 years because they’ve been friends since childhood, not because of the commercial success he’s delivered him. Pusha T is not walking the Louis V runway in Paris or attending the Met Gala because he’s a superstar rapper lool



In regards to Kanye, yep he ghost wrote for him but everyone ghost wrote for Kanye - even his biggest opp ghost wrote for him loool. Ghostwriting for Kanye is like ghostwriting for Dre - you’d be more pressed to find someone didn’t ghost write for him. In this context though I’m talking about Pusha as an artist in his own regard and with 4 albums under GOOD music, he’s never cracked 100k first week - I don’t even think he’s gone gold. So in spite of him being an artist that’s never put up crazy numbers (case could be made that he’s consistently underperformed on Soundscan), he still managed to get to the position of CEO. He may shown some other ‘transferable’ skills that Kanye saw as beneficial for the position but outside looking in, it was most likely that he was the artist in GOOD that was most tight with Kanye. How you go from the below (which was just 3 years ago) to ‘I never respected him as a leader and a man for the 12 years I worked with him’ is kind of mind boggling:



This is what I’m talking about when I say social climber - his alignment with Kanye served its use to him until it didn’t…



Objectively speaking, he’s not a peer to Jay, Nas or Kendrick - he’s not on their level in terms of status or what they’ve achieved in their career, he just isn’t. He’s a great rapper - I literally said he’s in my top five but he’s not in the same sphere as those you mentioned and I listen to him way more than I do them. And if anything, these rappers are examples of the social climbing he does because it was through his relationships with Kanye and Pharell that he was able to get relationships with Jay (Ye), Nas, (Ye) and Kendrick (Pharell). Jay-Z didn’t give a fukk about Pusha when he was doing 16s with Ab Liva and Sandman on the Re-up Gang tapes. In fact he told Pharrell that they were one dimensional cause all they rap about is coke lol

As someone said in another thread, Pusha’s brand is Coke, High Fashion and hating on rappers that are bigger than him which is why it’s gone from beef with Wayne to Aubrey to now Travis. He hates that these rappers are more successful than him - he’ll always just find the narrative to justify the hate. But he’s an elite rapper so he does it well lol

So you saying he Wale with a more sinister flow and a hook up

 

[JustCKing]

Define "didn't translate to anything." Most professional musicians goal is to create a catalog they proud of and make money. He did both and continues to do so.

It did nothing to elevate him or the Clipse.

Of course most artists' goal is to create a catalog they are proud of and make money off, but rarely is that discussed here. We discuss everything from the quality of the music to the ranking of an artist and yes, the sales.

 

[RennisDeynolds]

Grindin’ put them on the map - that was 20 years ago and outside of LW, all the Clipse albums have been commercial failures. HHNF did 80k in 2006 when people were going platinum left, right and centre and TTCD did 39k first week in 2009, way before streaming was even regarded a thought. First album was shelved before LW came out 3 years after….in normal circumstances, he would’ve been dropped and left to fend for himself on the indie circuit. Slim Thug’s album on Star Trak did 130k first week which is more than any Pusha album, solo or group and he was dropped with the quickness.

Lot of focus on numbers but the point is that he has the relationship with the same producer for 20 years because they’ve been friends since childhood, not because of the commercial success he’s delivered him. Pusha T is not walking the Louis V runway in Paris or attending the Met Gala because he’s a superstar rapper lool



In regards to Kanye, yep he ghost wrote for him but everyone ghost wrote for Kanye - even his biggest opp ghost wrote for him loool. Ghostwriting for Kanye is like ghostwriting for Dre - you’d be more pressed to find someone didn’t ghost write for him. In this context though I’m talking about Pusha as an artist in his own regard and with 4 albums under GOOD music, he’s never cracked 100k first week - I don’t even think he’s gone gold. So in spite of him being an artist that’s never put up crazy numbers (case could be made that he’s consistently underperformed on Soundscan), he still managed to get to the position of CEO. He may shown some other ‘transferable’ skills that Kanye saw as beneficial for the position but outside looking in, it was most likely that he was the artist in GOOD that was most tight with Kanye. How you go from the below (which was just 3 years ago) to ‘I never respected him as a leader and a man for the 12 years I worked with him’ is kind of mind boggling:



This is what I’m talking about when I say social climber - his alignment with Kanye served its use to him until it didn’t…



Objectively speaking, he’s not a peer to Jay, Nas or Kendrick - he’s not on their level in terms of status or what they’ve achieved in their career, he just isn’t. He’s a great rapper - I literally said he’s in my top five but he’s not in the same sphere as those you mentioned and I listen to him way more than I do them. And if anything, these rappers are examples of the social climbing he does because it was through his relationships with Kanye and Pharell that he was able to get relationships with Jay (Ye), Nas, (Ye) and Kendrick (Pharell). Jay-Z didn’t give a fukk about Pusha when he was doing 16s with Ab Liva and Sandman on the Re-up Gang tapes. In fact he told Pharrell that they were one dimensional cause all they rap about is coke lol

As someone said in another thread, Pusha’s brand is Coke, High Fashion and hating on rappers that are bigger than him which is why it’s gone from beef with Wayne to Aubrey to now Travis. He hates that these rappers are more successful than him - he’ll always just find the narrative to justify the hate. But he’s an elite rapper so he does it well lol

Slim Thug was signed to Star Trak

 

[JustCKing]

Slim Thug was signed to Star Trak

Yes. I actually liked that album, but he obviously wasn't a fit for The Neptunes sound and his album dropped in the transition from The Nepunes to just Pharrell.

 

[Rembrandt]

I'm still genuinely lost on why def jam would fumble so hard off this Kendrick verse.

How I've heard some people say it's because all or most of the verse is supposed to be from the eyes of trump which makes sense, but really?

Insane from def jam considering how this album is sounding.

 

[Point Blank]

travis dropping this weekend also? lol. gonna be rough for the clipse

Yeah, Sunday lol

 

[Cladyclad]

I can see who brokies in this thread lol

 

[Jards]

Yes. I actually liked that album, but he obviously wasn't a fit for The Neptunes sound and his album dropped in the transition from The Nepunes to just Pharrell.

The whole ‘Like a boss’ thing actually came from that album:



It’s funny because Ross literally stole the boss persona from Slim Thug and then tried to diss him later on some backhanded shyt loool

 

[Point Blank]

They’re doing a live listening party on Apple Music currently.

 

[KillKenny]

Nas feature

 

[904]

They do. The Booth will juelz around it, but there's posts on this thread discussing first week numbers for this album. Numbers matter regardless of how hard posters on here say otherwise. If this album does more than expected, best believe Pusha T fans are goongnto blow it up.

I disagree, most of the posts surrounding Clipse or Pusha T numbers are from his haters/Drake fans..

Yes I would hope all my favorite artists perform well on the charts as I want them to keep delivering music..

But those numbers offer no validation of the level of their artistry to the audience of a Pusha T or Clipse, that's the difference.

A Pusha T fan would never use his chart performance to explain why he's a good artist. They just enjoy the music.

A Travis Scott fan may say, "hey, he just did 200k first week, everybody listens to him, so of course he makes great music."

 

[904]