CNN: "Isn’t it interesting that some of those calling most loudly for the BOYCOTT of The Woman King ARE BLACK MEN?"

[kingofnyc]

read my post above about american soldiers. tldr: not all people agree with wars even though they or their country participate in it. based on this reality and knowing human nature in general (that not everybody thinks the same) it's perfectly plausible that some dahomey werent with the shyt, and that this movie is an embellishment of that POV

Soldiers can quit if they don’t agree with their country or leaders
with that said - you still pose a bad analogy because even though Dahomey tribe was a female army they was never at war with other tribes
they invaded weaker villages only to slaughter & enslave them - there’s nothing plausible of any of them trying to separate themselves from these heinous acts committed …

Seems like you’re trying to make an excuse for the inexcusable
let’s keep it real these people were completely evil

 

[kingofnyc]

• Perfectly plausible that some Nazi soldiers didn't agree with Hitler. So let's create a movie about those righteous Nazi soldiers.
• Perfectly plausible that some slavemasters were benevolent to their slaves. So let's create a movie showing those righteous slavemasters.
• Perfectly plausible that some members of the KKK didn't agree with burning Black people in the town square. So let's create a movie showing the righteous folks of the KKK

rep & dap

 

[ab.aspectus]

You do know the definition of FICTIONAL CHARACTERS right????

A white man in the antebellum south is fiction now?

But female warriors in Dahomey is not?

 

[ThatTruth777]

Its gonna be wild to witness these losers walk this back in the future.

 

[Tair]

They have created these movies

it's probably one of the most popular plots in storytelling.... show the nuances of someone who's fukking up i see it all the time in black hood movies. shyt, goodfellas is my favorite movie, they made henry hill cool (up untll the choppers showed up )

Show me the blockbuster righteous Nazi, KKK, and Slavemaster films. Show me them being proud to be a Nazi, Slavemaster, and member of the KKK but tacitly disagreeing with some unrighteous action that is a minor subplot.

I'll wait.

 

[VoxSphere74]

• Perfectly plausible that some slavemasters were benevolent to their slaves. So let's create a movie showing those righteous slavemasters.

Do people really want to make this ridiculous argument?

Because one could make the claim that the majority of enslaved people in the US were basically ok with their enslavement save for the rare few that started rebellions and they were sold out by other Black people that snitched on them to whites.

Because according to you every one in a group is of the same opinion, correct?


And yet the rarity of revolts doesn't stop Black people from elevating and creating shows/movies about Harriet Tubman, Denmark Vessey, Nat Turner and others who did fight against slavery because they wanted to fight for not only their freedom but that of others.

So the Dahomey were not 100% of the same mind. No group on earth is. There is always a difference of opinion among a collection of people.

What happens though is people tend to go with a group when it's unsafe to go against it.

So most enslaved people submitted to slavery likely because they felt there was no way to fight against it and win.


From the outside though whites just assumed that most enslaved people loved slavery and hated freedom.

Because they wrongly assumed as you do that everyone in a group thinks the same way.

 

[Uachet]

A white man in the antebellum south is fiction now?

But female warriors in Dahomey is not?

That White man in Django was based on no one. There is no historical record of Django and some German White man going around killing Slave masters. The Female warriors do have history supporting their existence. That is the difference between the two. One is about a wholly fictional character and his fictional white benefactor, the other is about actual people who existed.

I have no clue why you seem to not understand that point, unless you do and are just trying to be obtuse about the issue.

 

[bourgeoisie tall freak]

Show me the blockbuster righteous Nazi, KKK, and Slavemaster films. Show me them being proud to be a Nazi, Slavemaster, and member of the KKK but tacitly disagreeing with some unrighteous action that is a minor subplot.

I'll wait.

Was the character in this movie proud to be part of a society that sold slaves? They just spoiled the movie in the article did you read it?

But there's is plenty of stories about the nuances of people fukking up. I know people that have posted this topic think the godfather is a great movie. Theres last of the mohicans, stories about Thomas jefferson and how he loved his slaves but yet he was a founding father, etc. Damn near all the Vietnam War movies paint our soldiers in an apathetic light, there's Gandhi movie.

Plus I don't think this is a blockbuster movie, at least thats what haters would have you believe lol

Anyway, I'm bored of this topic.

 

[Tair]

Was the character in this movie proud to be part of a society that sold slaves? They just spoiled the movie in the article did you read it?

But there's is plenty of stories about the nuances of people fukking up. I know people that have posted this topic think the godfather is a great movie. Theres last of the mohicans, stories about Thomas jefferson and how he loved his slaves but yet he was a founding father, etc.

Plus I don't think this is a blockbuster movie, at least thats what haters would have you believe lol

From the article:

"...their unparalleled commitment to their country, to each other and to their King Ghezo..."​

I'd say they were proud of their station and society.

I didn't make any mention of the Godfather, etc...

Now list those films.

 

[ORDER_66]

A white man in the antebellum south is fiction now?

But female warriors in Dahomey is not?

nikka are you retarded???

 

[bourgeoisie tall freak]

plus who is to say that some people in that community didn't agree with slavery. look at the US, the rulers do what they do and at least half of the people don't agree with it. even american soldiers don't agree with the wars they participate in. at some point in time soldiers didn't even have much of a choice if they were drafted.

"None of this, of course, explains why this female corps arose only in Dahomey. Historian Robin Law, of the University of Stirling, who has made a study of the subject, dismisses the idea that the Fon viewed men and women as equals in any meaningful sense; women fully trained as warriors, he points out, were thought to “become” men, usually at the moment they disemboweled their first enemy. Perhaps the most persuasive possibility is that the Fon were so badly outnumbered by the enemies who encircled them that Dahomey’s kings were forced to conscript women. The Yoruba alone were about ten times as numerous as the Fon." Dahomey’s Women Warriors


"Dahomey was organized for war, not only to expand its boundaries but also to take captives as slaves. Slaves were either sold to the Europeans in exchange for weapons or kept to work the royal plantations that supplied food for the army and court. From approximately 1680, a regular census of population was taken as a basis for military conscription. Female soldiers, called Amazons by the Europeans, served as royal bodyguards when not in combat." Dahomey | Kingdom, History, Location, & Facts

b-b-b-ut they can just leave if they didn't want to war puhlease, about 90% of americans are underclass right now despite all the alleged rights and education, etc. they live at the whim of the top 5% and cant do shyt about it yet women (and from readin further it seems like a lot of them where actually minor girls) from 2-3 centuries ago could have escaped their society

 

[Steam Deck]

They already in here deflecting

Like there isn’t a plat thread hating on it

 

[High Art]

All I've learned is that if they ever re-make DW Griffith's Birth of a Nation, as long as the KKK are played by black women, people will support it. You know I'm right.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

Right,and not only that. Some of the people the Dahomey captured also were involved in the slave trade. Meaning some of those warriors who got captured by the Dahomey, were involved in the same slave trade they hate the people in this movie for.


So just think of the implications when you are saying "They sold my people into slavery". Better be careful because "your people" that got sent off may have done their share of enslavement and trading prior to taking that L


And like you said,some of them may not have agreed. But did what they had to,or were simply born into believing slavery was normal and okay.

I guess on the brightside the movies opened people up to discussing the nuance of a complicated subject.

That's the thing. I haven't seen the movie yet, so I only know its promotional material... But Dahomey was actually not really good at war.

They routinely took Ls from stronger states like Oyo and occupied a geographically vulnerable location, which seems to have contributed to their need for militarization.

The consequence of these historical facts is that many citizens and soldiers of Dahomey have been sold into the slave trade themselves, and are among the direct ancestors of the African diaspora. The hailed Haitian revolution, for example, had many recent Dahomey actors behind it.

Those are some of the nuances of the slave trade that are constantly missed in common internet discourse.

 

[3rdWorld]

So why do brehs (some) want it boycotted?