Colts superstar RB Jonathan Taylor requests trade

[Godless Socialist CEO]

A qb really just needs to protect the ball and make timely passes, the problem is the league is set up for qbs to be Superman which gives an out for bad organizations and who can’t build a team
While the actual Superman on the team aka the rb typically Carries a squad throughout the season, qbs depend on way too many elements to have the value they have

To keep it real most of the money should be going to linemen and rbs, but the environment is set up for qbs to throw 50 passes a game to justify big ass contracts compared to the rest of the team, qbs contracts don’t match the real production they bring to the team

Really the model should be that qbs get long baseball contracts at reasonable yearly rates, while rbs and linebackers get bigger shorter contracts, im not sure what pay models other positions should have

I can get on board with lineman on dline and oline deserving most of the money. You’re absolutely wrong about running backs tho.

You talk about qb’s like being a game manager is enough to win in todays nfl which is vastly more talented than the nfl yours and mine parents grew up with. Being a qb is HARD, much harder in terms of decision making than being a running back ever will be.

QB’s might be slightly overpaid but to call the position “overrated” is something I will never get behind. If you think qb’s are overrated sit down and watch the patriots before and after Brady, the Bucs before and after Brady and the chiefs before and after mahomes, the bengals before and after borrow and the bills before and after Josh Allen’s leap and come tell me how those dudes are overrated

There’s not a single running back in football that changes the game the way a good qb does. Maybe mcaffery in that San Fran plug and play offense but that might be the only one and that’s specific to that team as Carolina was awful with him at his peak

 

[Gritsngravy]

I can get on board with lineman on dline and oline deserving most of the money. You’re absolutely wrong about running backs tho.

You talk about qb’s like being a game manager is enough to win in todays nfl which is vastly more talented than the nfl yours and mine parents grew up with. Being a qb is HARD, much harder in terms of decision making than being a running back ever will be.

QB’s might be slightly overpaid but to call the position “overrated” is something I will never get behind. If you think qb’s are overrated sit down and watch the patriots before and after Brady, the Bucs before and after Brady and the chiefs before and after mahomes, the bengals before and after borrow and the bills before and after Josh Allen’s leap and come tell me how those dudes are overrated

There’s not a single running back in football that changes the game the way a good qb does. Maybe mcaffery in that San Fran plug and play offense but that might be the only one and that’s specific to that team as Carolina was awful with him at his peak

Tom Brady was a game manger, the goat game manger

Tom, pat, and joe all are good at what they do, but they is cogs to a machine, take away they talent and switch up they coaches and they not going to be on shyt, a running back can legit carry a team for years with bad o lines, I could argue rbs have more win shares than a qb does, it’s the high scoring nature of the league that’s blinding people on qbs true value

All this goat of athleticism talk and only qbs can win mvps just further that disillusion and fall bought into it

 

[Lord Beasley]

Tom Brady was a game manger, the goat game manger

Tom, pat, and joe all are good at what they do, but they is cogs to a machine, take away they talent and switch up they coaches and they not going to be on shyt, a running back can legit carry a team for years with bad o lines, I could argue rbs have more win shares than a qb does, it’s the high scoring nature of the league that’s blinding people on qbs true value

All this goat of athleticism talk and only qbs can win mvps just further that disillusion and fall bought into it

you should watch that Quarterback doc on Netflix. game manager or not, QBs go thru it....the doc also gave me newfound respect for Kirk Cousins

 

[Gritsngravy]

you should watch that Quarterback doc on Netflix. game manager or not, QBs go thru it....the doc also gave me newfound respect for Kirk Cousins

I’m not saying they don’t go through it but in my opinion the nfl decided to make the qb an artificial king maker ignoring the true essence of football
Football is about the team not so called “generational” qbs

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Tom Brady was a game manger, the goat game manger

Tom, pat, and joe all are good at what they do, but they is cogs to a machine, take away they talent and switch up they coaches and they not going to be on shyt, a running back can legit carry a team for years with bad o lines, I could argue rbs have more win shares than a qb does, it’s the high scoring nature of the league that’s blinding people on qbs true value

All this goat of athleticism talk and only qbs can win mvps just further that disillusion and fall bought into it

No offense, but this is one of the worst takes on the QB position and Tom Brady I've ever read. I don't think you and I are going to see eye to on this. Especially if you seriously believe that a running back is more valuable than the QB position. There's just nothing to back that belief up at all. You can argue whatever you want but virtually no one including quite a few NFL players will agree with you.



For example, ask some Jets players especially Wilson and that defense how they feel about Rodgers being in there vs that other shytty as white boy?

Also I think you should listen to @Lord Beasley and check out that QB show. Might give you a different perspective on the position.

 

[Gritsngravy]

No offense, but this is one of the worst takes on the QB position and Tom Brady I've ever read. I don't think you and I are going to see eye to on this. Especially if you seriously believe that a running back is more valuable than the QB position. There's just nothing to back that belief up at all. You can argue whatever you want but virtually no one including quite a few NFL players will agree with you.



For example, ask some Jets players especially Wilson and that defense how they feel about Rodgers being in there vs that other shytty as white boy?

Rodgers is a veteran, dude is a young qb trying to find his way, one of the consequences of making the qb everything on the team is u don’t have the patience for young dudes to grow

 

[Piff Perkins]

So he's worthless and the RB position doesn't matter BUT we need multiple high draft picks and Jaylen Waddle in order to trade him. People just need to admit what's going on here. This is a coordinated move to devalue an important skills position in order for owners to avoid paying more money. And there's an army of (predominantly white) analytics nerds out there cheering this shyt on. I'm not going to deny the position is more interchangeable than it was x years ago, or that the league isn't full of low round RBs who can give you decent to good performance. But there's a difference between Jonathan Taylor and a 6th round RB. A big difference. And if that wasn't the case, the team wouldn't demanding a ransom.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Rodgers is a veteran, dude is a young qb trying to find his way, one of the consequences of making the qb everything on the team is u don’t have the patience for young dudes to grow

Ehhh think that’s more organizational failure than the league. Look at how mahomes, Jackson and Allen were all given time Vs the jets a poorly run organization falling ass backwards into an elite roster and needing to into win now mode.

With that said Wilson is like historically awful to the point that his numbers were below guys like Jamarcus Russell. If he wasn’t a white boy he would’ve been cut imo

 

[Heelmatic]

JT messed up....all about timing.

You can't, as a RB, demand big money from a team that's rebuilding. They see you as an asset and will want draft capital in a trade. They figure you won't be around when the team gets good again so no sense in wasting money.

OTOH, they'd run JT into the ground while Anthony is developing at QB. He knows they want to keep him on a relatively team friendly deal and use him up while shyt is bad and then dump him as soon as he breaks down.

Both sides doing what they think is right.

He didn't want to get tagged at the end of the season. I think that's what this comes down to. Colts said we aren't talking contract until after the season and he sees all these backs getting tagged, he knew what was coming.

 

[Gritsngravy]

Ehhh think that’s more organizational failure than the league. Look at how mahomes, Jackson and Allen were all given time Vs the jets a poorly run organization falling ass backwards into an elite roster and needing to into win now mode.

With that said Wilson is like historically awful to the point that his numbers were below guys like Jamarcus Russell. If he wasn’t a white boy he would’ve been cut imo

Jared Goff was a bust then became an mvp candidate, left for dead again and found life with the lions, so Wilson still got a chance
I’ll give another example, Matt coral should be on a team right now after getting cut by panthers

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Jared Goff was a bust then became an mvp candidate, left for dead again and found life with the lions, so Wilson still got a chance
I’ll give another example, Matt coral should be on a team right now after getting cut by panthers

If Jared Goff was black he'd be out of the league, but he's a prime example of someone with all the tools and despite that still struggles to stay consistent because of how fukking hard it is to be a QB

 

[Gritsngravy]

If Jared Goff was black he'd be out of the league, but he's a prime example of someone with all the tools and despite that still struggles to stay consistent because of how fukking hard it is to be a QB

Or maybe it’s cause he didn’t have a running game, so rams got rid of him cause they couldn’t find a rb, stafford is a more experienced qb and more physical tools than Goff but rams could’ve kept Goff but they couldn’t replace Todd gurley

And what Jared got in Detroit right now?

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Or maybe it’s cause he didn’t have a running game, so rams got rid of him cause they couldn’t find a rb, stafford is a more experienced qb and more physical tools than Goff but rams could’ve kept Goff but they couldn’t replace Todd gurley

And what Jared got in Detroit right now?

Is your argument that a better qb is the reason the rams got better after geoff left?

Because that’s how it reads?

 

[Legal]

Or maybe it’s cause he didn’t have a running game, so rams got rid of him cause they couldn’t find a rb, stafford is a more experienced qb and more physical tools than Goff but rams could’ve kept Goff but they couldn’t replace Todd gurley

And what Jared got in Detroit right now?

I mean, both things can be true. Goff was so limited with the Rams that they built their offense around getting to the line ASAP, not to run as many plays as possible, but so McVay could literally read the defense for Goff, and tell him what to do. Not only did that stunt his growth as a QB, but absolutely no black QB gets a second contract the size of Goff's if they're even in the league at that point. And he definitely got caught up in what was basically a business decision for both sides of the trade. The Rams upgraded at QB, and the Lions got younger while they were in a spot that wouldn't have gotten them Lawrence, Wilson, or Lance in the draft.

 

[Gritsngravy]

Is your argument that a better qb is the reason the rams got better after geoff left?

Because that’s how it reads?

And now look at the rams, rebuilding cause they spent all they capital trying to build a stacked team through trades when they really just needed a rb
They could’ve won multiple super bowls with a great rb