Convicted of murder at 12, Released at 19… is this a story of redemption?

[Scottie Drippin]

I don't want to argue.... And I know I bring up this topic and people start throwing around derogatory words...

But this is the reason why I always bring up the topic about the underage thing..
Basically the "how old is 15 anyway" Dave Chappelle bit...

Because it plays right into my point that they can say that a fukking 13yr old is an adult, because of his actions... And give him an adult sentence..

We as a society have to pick one side..
We can't have it both ways.

Are these teenagers always "kids" or are they "little adults" depending on their actions.

You can't have it both ways...
Because then biases start to pop up..

Are we picking and choosing because of race...? Are we picking and choosing because of gender?

Always that one weirdo that wants to turn any conversation into one a out why he's not allowed to have sex with children

 

[goatmane]

12 years olds dont know killing people isnt bad?

why yall lying?

even mfs in depressed, 3rd world country warzone know killing is a line they regularly cross

 

[prince_peoples]

I know a guy who kidnapped, robbed, and murdered his elderly neighbor when he was 13 in 2003 and is still in prison on a 30-40 year sentence; just looked him up and his current projected release date is 2041 when he'll be 51 years old, thats 38 of the 40 years served if he gets out then...

They locked up a 13-year old and took his entire life from him but I assume yall would find that to be a just punishment?

I don't feel like anyone under the age of 18 should be sentenced to more than 20 years, don't really care what they did. Yes, there's a possibility if some 17-year old murdered my 9 year old I'd find 20 years light, but I went to prison at 17 and met too many guys like myself who were teenage offenders sent to the big yards. These guys I've seen derided as "demons" on here are still kids, and you see it when you're in the presence of them....

For the record I got a 5-year sentence for burglaries that could have been knocked down to a youthful offender status and sent to a juvenile spot for a year or so, then a juvenile probation, but they went the adult route from the very start. Would it have shaped me differently, I can't say for certain but I can tell you going to prison that young didn't help deter me from a life of crime...

These dudes get sent to prison for longer than they been alive without and never get the chance to develop as real adults. It's unjust and I'm glad they sent this guy to a youth spot and are letting him free. He was 12...

Yeah bro you are tripping.

your homie deserves death regardless of his age.

 

[calixprynce]

It’s called juvenile life . In California it’s until you are 25 .

kyla Pratt’s bro killed Serena and Venus sister in 2003 and was down from 13 to 25 .

 

[Thegospel]

12 years olds dont know killing people isnt bad?

why yall lying?

even mfs in depressed, 3rd world country warzone know killing is a line they regularly cross

You know why in this particular thread dudes are lying.

 

[Geek Nasty]

I know a guy who kidnapped, robbed, and murdered his elderly neighbor when he was 13 in 2003 and is still in prison on a 30-40 year sentence; just looked him up and his current projected release date is 2041 when he'll be 51 years old, thats 38 of the 40 years served if he gets out then...

They locked up a 13-year old and took his entire life from him but I assume yall would find that to be a just punishment?

I don't feel like anyone under the age of 18 should be sentenced to more than 20 years, don't really care what they did. Yes, there's a possibility if some 17-year old murdered my 9 year old I'd find 20 years light, but I went to prison at 17 and met too many guys like myself who were teenage offenders sent to the big yards. These guys I've seen derided as "demons" on here are still kids, and you see it when you're in the presence of them....

For the record I got a 5-year sentence for burglaries that could have been knocked down to a youthful offender status and sent to a juvenile spot for a year or so, then a juvenile probation, but they went the adult route from the very start. Would it have shaped me differently, I can't say for certain but I can tell you going to prison that young didn't help deter me from a life of crime...

These dudes get sent to prison for longer than they been alive without and never get the chance to develop as real adults. It's unjust and I'm glad they sent this guy to a youth spot and are letting him free. He was 12...

fukk all that, there’s too many teenagers going to jail because there’s too many of them doing shyt. Maybe not life but I’m all good with putting these guys away during prime criminal years.

you said it yourself 5 years wasn’t enough time for you.

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

As a father this is a touchy thread. I'm just going to read because yeah.....

 

[xXMASHERXx]

I hope breh has turned his life around and able to live a productive life. There honestly isn't a simple answer to this situation. We have age limits because we don't believe children have developed enough to make proper decisions so how can you say a child should be locked up for the majority/rest of their life when they commit a crime. We can't have it both ways.

 

[Man On Fire]

Should put his parents in jail for life

 

[Jasmine20]

The news reporter said the parents of Conner almost immediately started to reach out and support him.

 

[murksiderock]

@murksiderock

When you did what you got sentenced for, you knew that it was wrong, but you did it anyway. You probably didn't know what the legal penalty would be if you got caught, but come sentencing time no judge is trying to hear that, nor will it factor into what amount of time he hits you with.

How did you arrive at 20 years being the max you'd give for any crime committed by a person under 18?

The point is it SHOULD matter to these judges and prosecutors that a teenager can't rationalize legal penalties for his consequences. Prisons are a billions upon billions dollar industry, I understand too well why it doesn't matter...

But it should...

My experiences shaped me the same way yours shaped you. I was a juvenile offender sentenced as an adult where I also encountered other juvenile offenders who were sentenced as adults and living amongst hardened criminals. I didn't notice it so much at the time, but upon my release (I did 3½ on the 5), as I grew older in the free world having real world experiences, I noticed how my own growth was stunted in certain areas and retrospectively the same with other guys who were in the same situation...

Roughly a year and a half after I got out, I was a 21 year old trying to go to job Corp with my 20-year old brother and was told I couldn't get in. With only burglaries and stolen car charges on my record. The uphill battle I had to fight to transcend my criminal record may not have even happened had I been sentenced as a juvenile...

This is in North Carolina, where I moved at 16, I was there for a year when I got arrested. This is North Carolina where you're an adult on any felony at 16+ unless specifically given juvenile status, but this is the same North Carolina where I met guys who were sentenced as adults from 15 and 14, abd the 13-year old guy I knew. So even prior to 16 you're liable to be sentenced as an adult although there are juvie camps...

Seeing all these guys as well as using myself as a first person experience brought me the

The 13 year old mind isn't fully developed. Why is the system more lenient towards crimes from mentally ill people...but gives the full extent of punishment to cases such as above?

I guess the toughest part is evaluating mental illness. There's no scientific basis on evaluating mental illness. I honestly believe all humans have some form of it to an extent.

The other thing here is the system trying to rehabilitate or are they trying to punish to prevent (scare) future kids in that same position. I mean let's face it you're dealing with a one off case here.... there's millions of kids that come from broken homes and fukked up situations that don't commit such heinous crimes. To me the solution is for that juvenile to spend his younger years with other peers in the system and hopefully go through programs for rehabilitation instead of tossing them in with the big boys for 40 years.

System definitely ain't built to rehabilitate!

I don't want to argue.... And I know I bring up this topic and people start throwing around derogatory words...

But this is the reason why I always bring up the topic about the underage thing..
Basically the "how old is 15 anyway" Dave Chappelle bit...

Because it plays right into my point that they can say that a fukking 13yr old is an adult, because of his actions... And give him an adult sentence..

We as a society have to pick one side..
We can't have it both ways.

Are these teenagers always "kids" or are they "little adults" depending on their actions.

You can't have it both ways...
Because then biases start to pop up..

Are we picking and choosing because of race...? Are we picking and choosing because of gender?

It's all a slippery slope but I do agree from years perspective that if I'm not old enough to consent to sex with a 21-year old, then I shouldn't be seen as old enough to understand the crimes I committed...

 

[DJSmooth]

Fair enough, I have no problem with your opinion, I feel it's misplaced...

At 13 you're just not developed enough to be prepared for the consequences if your actions. Neither are you at 14, 15, 16, 17, and honestly not at 18 or 19 either, because out here in the real world most 18-19 year olds aren't supporting themselves, most of them still associate with teenage peer groups because they just left high school, etc...

We all know that despite the American ideology, 18-19 year olds are not adults. Very, very few of them live as such, speak as such, move as such...

At 13 he had no shot. His background is secondary to me because I think his age should be the primary factor, but we were in the hole together one year and he told me he never knew his dad, and him and his sister were in and out of foster care because his mom was an addict. When she was well she got them back, when she was on the shyt again they went back in. He was in foster care when he killed that lady...

So he had a shytty background AND he was only 13. Im not advocating for no punishment, but 40 years is excessive, the reality is he wasn't a 33-year old man who killed this woman...

Nah at 13 any normal human thats not sociopath knows not to kill another human.

 

[mag357]

Always that one weirdo that wants to turn any conversation into one a out why he's not allowed to have sex with children

Bro if you don't understand how it's the same conversation.... Then move on.

Y'all nikkaz always trying to be so high and mighty that you totally ruin good, thought provoking conversation...

I get it bro... you're not a pedo...
Cool... Thanx

What do you think about the point I brought up?

 

[murksiderock]

At the age of 5 I knew killing someone was something I should never do.

I didn't...

Even when I hit an age to understand killing people was wrong, I didn't understand the consequences and ramifications of murdering someone. Most teenagers don't...

Yeah bro you are tripping.

your homie deserves death regardless of his age.

Nah he won't my homie bruh, just a guy I did time with and I remember him because he was the youngest convict I did time with. He ended up turned out on that gay shyt early at like 17, and stayed in dumb shyt, was a self-admitted virgin who'd never had sex with a girl...

The entire system failed him...

you said it yourself 5 years wasn’t enough time for you.

When did I say this? I said that time didn't deter me from a life of crime. Getting a dime or more at 17 wouldn't have done any better in all likelihood...

I hope breh has turned his life around and able to live a productive life. There honestly isn't a simple answer to this situation. We have age limits because we don't believe children have developed enough to make rash decisions so how can you say a child should be locked up for the majority/rest of their life when they commit a crime. We can't have it both ways.

100,000%!

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

At the age of 5 I knew killing someone was something I should never do. God are people idiots in this thread.

omg its kids
just because someone is a kid doesn't mean they don't know any better
ALOT of these kids know exactly what they're doing
They just know adults and their parents are dumb and gullible as hell
Sociopath and psychopath kids getting a pass because they're kids gtfoh