Coronavirus Thread: Worldwide Pandemic

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eventually we're gonna have to make a choice about this lose/lose situation, even if no one wants to say it out loud
That sort of sentiment coming from a woman was a bit of a shocker to most. I couldn't picture any woman in my life saying that I think a lot of people are thinking that. :yeshrug:
 

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If (if!) doctors and researchers could confirm that once you get it, you can't get it again...then yeah, folks who had it should be able to move around freely. But until then, shut it down until medicine/science catches up.

Unfortunately it'll be a while, probably years, before we know that for sure. Maybe you can only get it once...or it could be like the flu where you only get immunity to a particular strain, and different strains show up every year (or more). Right now we just don't know how fast it mutates. Generally though, coronaviruses mutate rapidly - the common cold is often caused by coronavirus variants, and them evolving fast is one reason why people don't develop immunity to colds.

My fear is that we'll open up shop in a month or whatever, and then not long after that some new strain appears that nobody is immune to and we're back where we started. :francis:
 

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eventually we're gonna have to make a choice about this lose/lose situation, even if no one wants to say it out loud

What exactly is "lose/lose" about this? All this talk about "choices" and "is the number of deaths worth everyone being locked down so long", besides being the kind of fatalist, nihilistic stance that just rubs people as needlessly callous at a time like this, is also ignorant to the reality of how we're already fukked economically.

We're at Great Depression levels of unemployment now. Ease up too quickly, and you end up with a bigger economic contraction. If we ease up on restrictions too soon, and another wave of the virus kicks off, do you really think people really are going to be out and about, doing the kind of spending at the same levels as before the virus shut everything down?

The economic damage, both now and probably for the rest of this year at least, is done. We just have to accept the economic pain at this point.

It's better to plan on how to slowly open things back up in a way that doesn't end in a second wave of the virus running rampant and letting the economy slowly recover over time than to try getting back to normal too quickly and end up having the exact opposite of that happen instead.
 
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eventually we're gonna have to make a choice about this lose/lose situation, even if no one wants to say it out loud
Definitely. If the gov doesn’t want to pay 75% of everybody’s salary until quarantine is over (like those Nordic countries), they can’t keep shyt shut down after May.

People have families to feed, mortgages to pay for, etc.

But it begs the question, what is the price of a life? The government runs the analysis all the time though. Look at motorcycle helmet laws, pollution, addiction, homelessness. The gov, and it’s population hav no problem letting those people just die with no help. Why are their lives not as valuable as the elderly? :jbhmm:
 

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Definitely. If the gov doesn’t want to pay 75% of everybody’s salary until quarantine is over (like those Nordic countries), they can’t keep shyt shut down after May.

People have families to feed, mortgages to pay for, etc.

But it begs the question, what is the price of a life? The government runs the analysis all the time though. Look at motorcycle helmet laws, pollution, addiction, homelessness. The gov, and it’s population hav no problem letting those people just die with no help. Why are their lives not as valuable as the elderly? :jbhmm:
Your assumptions are flawed.

None of those have an exponential growth factor. Unchecked, this virus is killing millions.

Two, its just not the elderly dying. Anyone 50+ is at risk(even 20s-40s are dying at low rates), and most of them have some type of chronic health issue. It would be a huge public health issue if those people survived but were left with further health issues, let alone died.

You’re going to get another stimulus package and continued social distancing(maybe not shelter at home) until August IMO.
 

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Your assumptions are flawed.

None of those have an exponential growth factor. Unchecked, this virus is killing millions.

Two, its just not the elderly dying. Anyone 50+ is at risk(even 20s-40s are dying at low rates), and most of them have some type of chronic health issue. It would be a huge public health issue if those people survived but were left with further health issues, let alone died.

You’re going to get another stimulus package and continued social distancing(maybe not shelter at home) until August IMO.
67k died of overdoses in 2018.

Overdose Death Rates

No one gave a shyt. It disproportionally killed the youth. It ruined lives, families, careers. Nobody gave a shyt.

God forbid we have to use tax dollars to open up any more rehab facilities, but we have no problem shutting down everything for something that may kill 100K people, who are disproportionately elderly

shyt is not adding up to me :hubie:
 

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I want stay out of the morality arguments and debates, I don't think it matters, at this moment, but I will say this, the government and all of us make calculations all the time, about what is acceptable death and what isn't. Unfortunately, for a variety of reasons, we are here, and we can't undo what has happened. A better coordinated federal response could have handled this without the economic pain, maybe 20% of it. And it's possible many of us would have read a few articles, and never known much at all about COVID 19.

Like was said about overdose deaths, how many on here knew that? Probably not very many, and I'm not making a moral judgement on that, it just is true. Or gun violence. People tend to not care about things they aren't personally affected by, or knowledgable of. There is no dialing back COVID019, it's out in the open. They are huge numbers for killings, overdoses, whatever.
 
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