Coronavirus Thread: Worldwide Pandemic

[Spatial Paradox]

67k died of overdoses in 2018.

Overdose Death Rates

No one gave a shyt. It disproportionally killed the youth. It ruined lives, families, careers. Nobody gave a shyt.

God forbid we have to use tax dollars to open up any more rehab facilities, but we have no problem shutting down everything for something that may kill 100K people, who are disproportionately elderly

shyt is not adding up to me

Assuming that's 67k over the course of a year, that's about 183 people on average dying every day from opioid overdoses. That's admittedly a grim toll. I'd dispute people not giving a shyt, given all of the chatter and politicians at least giving it lip service, but that's another thread .

Almost 2000 people died in the last 24 hours from this virus. And that's not counting the number of deaths being missed because of people dying outside of hospitals from it. And that's the outcome with all of the lockdowns that took place last month.

You can avoid dying by opioid overdose by not taking opioids. Pathogens that cause pandemics like this can't just be avoided in the same way.

 

[Hood Critic]

The comparisons are so nonsensical, can anyone tell me how many of the people who overdosed or committed suicide did so via second or third-hand exposure to someone else overdosing or killing themselves?

You can not compare addiction and depression to a virus. The former are self-inflicted and avoidable while the latter is mostly not.

 

[Hood Critic]

 

[Ciggavelli]

The comparisons are so nonsensical, can anyone tell me how many of the people who overdosed or committed suicide did so via second or third-hand exposure to someone else overdosing or killing themselves?

You can not compare addiction and depression to a virus. The former are self-inflicted and avoidable while the latter is mostly not.

Nope. Most people hooked on heroin first got started by using medicine prescribed by doctors. These irresponsible doctors and pharm companies pushed opioids like crazy to the public. There has been much written about this. Opioid addiction is one of the hardest things to stop. Have you ever been addicted? You can’t just stop. Rehab is needed in most cases, but nobody wants to use tax dollars to pay for it.

Then you have the families and children of addicts growing up in a terrible situation, depression, higher risk for addiction, etc.

Now, look at cigarettes. fukking 480k people died from cigarettes a year. fukking half a million. Do we give a shyt? Do we outlaw cigs? Nope. Then you have second hand smoke leading to death as well. Do we care? No. Big tobacco has lobbyists to persuade the government to do nothing about the epidemic.

Well, why can’t people just stop? It’s not that easy. I started smoking when I was 16. I was not mature enough to care about the risks, and I smoked on and off for like 20 years. I did quit eventually, but it was very difficult.

If we wanna be callous, older folks can take precautions to minimize their corona virus risks too.

I dunno it’s difficult to think about, but I think older folks are seen as more valuable than younger folks by the government, and this lockdown shows that.

 

[re'up]

Very simply, the government, as they should, is operating from a mandate of preserving/saving all life possible. That may not be where I, or someone else falls on that question, but we are not in public office, probably for the best. It isn't callous to say the response has been a debacle.

 

[Hood Critic]

Nope. Most people hooked on heroin first got started by using medicine prescribed by doctors. These irresponsible doctors and pharm companies pushed opioids like crazy to the public. There has been much written about this. Opioid addiction is one of the hardest things to stop. Have you ever been addicted? You can’t just stop. Rehab is needed in most cases, but nobody wants to use tax dollars to pay for it.

Then you have the families and children of addicts growing up in a terrible situation, depression, higher risk for addiction, etc.

Now, look at cigarettes. fukking 480k people died from cigarettes a year. fukking half a million. Do we give a shyt? Do we outlaw cigs? Nope. Then you have second hand smoke leading to death as well. Do we care? No. Big tobacco has lobbyists to persuade the government to do nothing about the epidemic.

Well, why can’t people just stop? It’s not that easy. I started smoking when I was 16. I was not mature enough to care about the risks, and I smoked on and off for like 20 years. I did quit eventually, but it was very difficult.

If we wanna be callous, older folks can take precautions to minimize their corona virus risks too.

I dunno it’s difficult to think about, but I think older folks are seen as more valuable than younger folks by the government, and this lockdown shows that.

None of this addresses the fact that these people can not pass on potential death by simply being in the same room as some one else.

 

[Ciggavelli]

None of this addresses the fact that these people can not pass on potential death by simply being in the same room as some one else.

2nd hand smoke, genetic predisposition to addiction, drugs in the house, familial strife and violence due to addiction, joining gangs due to addicted parents, etc., etc.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Assuming that's 67k over the course of a year, that's about 183 people on average dying every day from opioid overdoses. That's admittedly a grim toll. I'd dispute people not giving a shyt, given all of the chatter and politicians at least giving it lip service, but that's another thread .

Almost 2000 people died in the last 24 hours from this virus. And that's not counting the number of deaths being missed because of people dying outside of hospitals from it. And that's the outcome with all of the lockdowns that took place last month.

You can avoid dying by opioid overdose by not taking opioids. Pathogens that cause pandemics like this can't just be avoided in the same way.

This. @Ciggavelli the issue is deaths in such a short amount of time. And forget dews the. Just resources. If everyone was getting the flu at this rate all at once it would be terrible for the economy and our healthcare system. Even if people don’t die, it’s incredibly traumatic (and expensive too) to need critical care and to be intubated, etc.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

2nd hand smoke, genetic predisposition to addiction, drugs in the house, familial strife and violence due to addiction, joining gangs due to addicted parents, etc., etc.

That’s all extended over a period of time though breh. This is happening all at once, WHILE we are already Ora ticking social distancing. It’d be even so much worse if we didn’t.

there’s nothing that’s killing thousands of Americans a day and putting so much stress on our system while also being kept at bay at the same time. It’s terrible but crazy enough it could be so much worse.

 

[Serious]

Thread is getting disgusting, feels like I'm in TLR.

Some the most highly educated and successful people in this thread are also devoid of empathy.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Nope. Most people hooked on heroin first got started by using medicine prescribed by doctors. These irresponsible doctors and pharm companies pushed opioids like crazy to the public. There has been much written about this. Opioid addiction is one of the hardest things to stop. Have you ever been addicted? You can’t just stop. Rehab is needed in most cases, but nobody wants to use tax dollars to pay for it.

Then you have the families and children of addicts growing up in a terrible situation, depression, higher risk for addiction, etc.

Now, look at cigarettes. fukking 480k people died from cigarettes a year. fukking half a million. Do we give a shyt? Do we outlaw cigs? Nope. Then you have second hand smoke leading to death as well. Do we care? No. Big tobacco has lobbyists to persuade the government to do nothing about the epidemic.

Well, why can’t people just stop? It’s not that easy. I started smoking when I was 16. I was not mature enough to care about the risks, and I smoked on and off for like 20 years. I did quit eventually, but it was very difficult.

If we wanna be callous, older folks can take precautions to minimize their corona virus risks too.

I dunno it’s difficult to think about, but I think older folks are seen as more valuable than younger folks by the government, and this lockdown shows that.

Breh, a close friend of a close friend died yesterday morning of this shyt and he’s a 32 year old athlete. This shyt ain’t just killing old folks. I think it’s very plausible that you’ll directly know someone that’s not old that will either die from this before the fall or at least be in critical condition.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Thread is getting disgusting, feels like I'm in TLR.

What the fukk happened in here right? I posted here daily from 2/29 until a couple days ago and suddenly it’s a nightmare.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Can anyone make this make sense?

It doesn’t make sense and way more people will die. It’s fukked.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I didn’t say back to normal, but there’s a middle ground.



Furthermore I’m a person whose very comfortable with the concept of death and feel like if 200k people have to die to move through this faster, well and yes, I’m aware that that someone could be me or a loved one

It’s not gonna be over quicker though. That’s what y’all don’t get. Look yo what any epidemiologist or virologist or pandemic expert is saying. People gave this notion that if we just let it burn through that it’ll be over faster. it won’t. Or if it is it’ll be marginal at best, with a shyt ton more death and destruction to human life, our infrastructure, and our economy. It doesn’t just burn through real fast if we all go back to normal right now. And hell, it’s already too late for that.

 

[Ciggavelli]

Thread is getting disgusting, feels like I'm in TLR.

Some the most highly educated and successful people in this thread are also devoid of empathy.

What, because we are outlining the inconsistencies in logic?

If the government wants to shut everything down all summer, they should be paying everybody 75% of their income like other countries.

$1200 doesn’t even pay rent for one month. So, we’re expecting people to lose their houses, not be able to feed their children, unable to pay bills? That’s the government fukking up. That’s the government killing people

Also, as I outlined with addiction, the government and society seems to have no problem letting all those people die and ruin their families lives.

Where’s the empathy there?