Could Bootcamp have even been bigger than The Wu ?

[Awesome Wells]

Nah.

And early on, I was a huge fan of the camp. But the issue was, after Dah Shinin', they started having internal issues that affected everything that came after. Once the production started falling off, they were done. Beatminerz were the ingredient for them, like RZA was for Wu.

But they started feeling like they didn't need Dee and Walt, and wanted to run their own careers and A&R their own albums. Once that started, the whole movement died.

 

[WIA20XX]

they started having internal issues that affected everything that came after.

Damn, 5FT killed the whole clique

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Men lie, women lie but the numbers don't.

Posting that MJ emoji means nothing when the actual numbers tell the real story.


My last response to you because there really is no coming back from this one

Mystikals 2 hottest records when he was BCC NO uploaded 10 years ago. Dont even reach 2 million views.



And BBC NYC has videos that surpass that so this just further confirms BBC NYC was more successful then BBC NO because BBC NYC had more of an interest from the people after their prime according to these Youtube views. And you cant say shyt about upload years because Mystikal has videos that were uploaded 7 years ago that surpass BBC NYC but they were all after he linked up with P not before.





Checkmate

nikka I thought you was about to bring up some plaques, some sales, Billboard charts. You talking about some YouTube views lame ass nikka

Did any of the nikkas put out an album that didnt go double wood

You keep bringing up Mystikal like he ain't sell more than them nikkas combined

shyt even the Ghetto Twiinz had a bigger run back in the day than BCC

 

[Awesome Wells]

Damn, 5FT killed the whole clique

Nah, it was Ruck and Rock. HAHA!!

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

BCC's 3 biggest momentum killers:

1. Priority Records mishandling their careers and direction of their sound.

2. Everyone except Black Moon abandoning the Beatminerz to handle production.

3. Pac getting killed. He was fukking with them heavy when he was killed. A Pac stimulus at that time would have opened up a ton of doors for the entire camp.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

It's pretty obvious. BCC NYC had more successful rap acts. And Sean P had a whole 2nd wind in the 2000's while BCC NO was forgotten by the 2000's. Meanwhile Mystikal was the biggest thing to come from the NO version and he didn't really take off like that till he linked up with Ps roster. He had to jump ship and leave his original roster and link up with a roster that was already winning. There is literally no real defense for saying that the NO version had any edge over the NYC version unless it's just to troll.

Breh, he's trolling. If there were a Cool Gee Rapp from Louisiana he'd be going on and on about how his debut album shyts all over Road To The Riches.

 

[WIA20XX]

3. Pac getting killed. He was fukking with them heavy when he was killed. A Pac stimulus at that time would have opened up a ton of doors for the entire camp.

1) How did this work out for the Outlawz?

Cause I can't think of any of their songs.

2) And I don't recall this getting much burn anywhere

 

[Rasille]

They didn’t have anybody that the women liked like a Method Man. They didn’t have a larger than life personality like an ODB. They didn’t have charismatic street guys with the believability of a Rae and Ghost. Nobody in the BCC were as nice as Gza and Deck.

 

[Plankton]

...

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

What time frame are you looking at?

In terms of crossover, Underground crowd to the the mainstream r&B crowd, or from black music into white pop music?

With respect to women, late 92 early 93, I would be very surprised if there were a lot of casual female fans checking for either protect your neck/ method Man or how many MCS?

Bigger than NWA?
Bigger than death row?
Bigger than Outkast?

No, but not relegated to underground scene. They would have been on the level of popularity of say Mobb Deep. Rockness Monsta could have very well had the type of career and mainstream success of someone like Xzibit. For a minute it looked like that was the direction his solo career was heading when he linked up with DJ Lethal and was working with Limp Bizkit in the late 90s, early 2000s. They were one of the faces of MTV during the Rap/rock era at that time.

For what it's worth, we don't get the reinvention of the GOAT, Sean Price, if they don't get dropped from Priority.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Nobody in the BCC were as nice as Gza and Deck.

Steele, Buckshot, Sean Price AND Starang are all way nicer than Deck.

 

[WIA20XX]

They didn’t have anybody that the women liked like a Method Man. They didn’t have a larger than life personality like an ODB. They didn’t have charismatic street guys with the believability of a Rae and Ghost. Nobody in the BCC were as nice as Gza and Deck.

I was there when they dropped. Wu and BCC was as grimy as grime could get.

Not to be flippant, but what woman was checking for this?





Wu needed Puffy to remix All I need

Rae and Ghost = Tek n Steele

As for GZA and Deck, I'd put Sean P and Buckshot up against them any day.

The ODB factor though....

 

[WIA20XX]

No, but not relegated to underground scene. They would have been on the level of popularity of say Mobb Deep.

Time frames matter here. Mobb Deep didn't break out of backpack territory until Quiet Storm/Got It Twisted.

Rockness Monsta could have very well had the type of career and mainstream success of someone like Xzibit. For a minute it looked like that was the direction his solo career was heading when he linked up with DJ Lethal and was working with Limp Bizkit in the late 90s, early 2000s. They were one of the faces of MTV during the Rap/rock era at that time.

Interesting. I don't recall this at all. But I was out of the dj'ng game at that point.

For what it's worth, we don't get the reinvention of the GOAT, Sean Price, if they don't get dropped from Priority.

True indeed!

Sean P was not Sean P when he was Ruck... *pours libations*

 

[boskey]

No, but not relegated to underground scene. They would have been on the level of popularity of say Mobb Deep. Rockness Monsta could have very well had the type of career and mainstream success of someone like Xzibit. For a minute it looked like that was the direction his solo career was heading when he linked up with DJ Lethal and was working with Limp Bizkit in the late 90s, early 2000s. They were one of the faces of MTV during the Rap/rock era at that time.

For what it's worth, we don't get the reinvention of the GOAT, Sean Price, if they don't get dropped from Priority.

He even had a single with Nate Dogg produced by Scott Storch

 

[WIA20XX]

He even had a single with Nate Dogg produced by Scott Storch

Call me biased, but 90% of the time, East Coast Mc's don't sound good on "southern" and "western" production.

Not to bring up Griselda, but Westside, Benny, and Conway need to stick to breaks and loops.