Could Bootcamp have even been bigger than The Wu ?

[REAL6]

 

[WIA20XX]

Ruck and Rock told them that they didn't need them to proceed everything.

Buck said the plan was always to have Dee and Walt overseeing the albums, like they did on Enta Da Stage and Dah Shinin'. He said that was the tradition. But Health Skeletal didn't want to keep with the tradition, so after that, Dee and Walt took a step back and we see what happened. They said after Dah Shinin', there was a lot of internal issues, and everything spilled over when they did the compilation. Buck said before that the crew wasn't as tight anymore.

WOW.

Always thought it was issues with Duck Down and the Label.

If they would have kept the in house production..........

 

[WIA20XX]

Duck Down Records was the East Coast version of Suave House…

They had enough for everyone and was doing their own thing
Priority didn’t really push em enough considering that they was eating good off of Master P.


BCC could have joined forces with Wu at least

Didnt' they sign with priority in 99?

At that point, Grimy/NYC Boom Bap was very much dead.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Didnt' they sign with priority in 99?

At that point, Grimy/NYC Boom Bap was very much dead.

The first album that dropped on Priority, was Nocturnal.

That was '96. Which is a little after all the issues started, according to Buck. He said they started beefing internally right after Dah Shinin'.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

Ruck and Rock told them that they didn't need them to proceed everything.

Buck said the plan was always to have Dee and Walt overseeing the albums, like they did on Enta Da Stage and Dah Shinin'. He said that was the tradition. But Health Skeletal didn't want to keep with the tradition, so after that, Dee and Walt took a step back and we see what happened. They said after Dah Shinin', there was a lot of internal issues, and everything spilled over when they did the compilation. Buck said before that the crew wasn't as tight anymore.

Individual members of Beatminerz still produced on Nocturnal tho...DJ Evil Dee, Baby Paul, Mr. Walt...

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

it wasnt even beatminerz imo. cause to your point heltah skeltah proved they didnt need them on multiple albums.

what i remember (and someone please correct me if i'm off) is after the OGC album, they had a window where they got a little experimental with the production. and it just wasn't stacking up against all the other monster shyt that dropped that year. big's second album. wu-tang forever. missy's first joint. harlem world. royal flush. one day it will all make sense. epmd's comeback. soul assassin's. busta dropped "put your hands where my eyes can see" and took over the club. shyt, that was the year will smith came back and was shaking shyt. there was a LOT of comp.

the other piece was pac's death. that look could've took them to a whole other level, but they didn't get a chance to benefit from the alley oop.

they eventually got back to what works. but by then no one was putting them on wu's level.

True.. by 1997, the entire East Coast sound shifted to a more epic, less gritty/less grimy/less boom bap sound. LAD is as epic of a soundscape as ever, and Wu Tang Forever's sound was much more epic than their work 96 and prior. I'm imagining BCC didn't want to just be underground so they changed their sound up too.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Individual members of Beatminerz still produced on Nocturnal tho...DJ Evil Dee, Baby Paul, Mr. Walt...

No doubt.

Those were the early cuts. During the recording, Ruck and Rock wanted to bring in other people. And that's when the issues started.

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

No. And I'm the biggest Boot Camp stan on the planet. But they didn't have the crossover appeal of the Wu. Significantly smaller female fan base. Had Priority Records made them a Priority, I don't doubt for a second they would have been much bigger and had a few plaques under their belt. But Wu is the biggest and greatest hip-hop act of all time. Nobody was reaching their status.

Basically, they didn't have a Method Man, who the ladies liked.
They didn't have a Raekwon, Ghostface or ODB who were characters.
Or a RZA who had a vision.


I hate to say it but you could cut the deck with everyone else in Wu tang. Regardless of how much I loved INS and GZA, the truth is that Meth, RZA, Ghost, Rae and ODB carried the Wu.

Bootcamp Clik was just some shyt for nukkas but hoes wasn't on that shyt.

 

[WIA20XX]

Basically, they didn't have a Method Man, who the ladies liked.
They didn't have a Raekwon, Ghostface or ODB who were characters.
Or a RZA who had a vision.


I hate to say it but you could cut the deck with everyone else in Wu tang. Regardless of how much I loved INS and GZA, the truth is that Meth, RZA, Ghost, Rae and ODB carried the Wu.

Bootcamp Clik was just some shyt for nukkas but hoes wasn't on that shyt.

U-God Reading this post

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

An interesting side question, is what happened to the beatminers? You telling me that they could not have had a run similar to buckwild and other of the great producers from the '90s?

I think they did one remix for a Lord Digga, and not too much after that. Shouldn't Westside Gunn give them a call?

They just released a dope album last year. I ordered that version my first day. It’s now only Walt and Dee though.

 

[TripleAgent]

No. And I'm the biggest Boot Camp stan on the planet. But they didn't have the crossover appeal of the Wu. Significantly smaller female fan base. Had Priority Records made them a Priority, I don't doubt for a second they would have been much bigger and had a few plaques under their belt. But Wu is the biggest and greatest hip-hop act of all time. Nobody was reaching their status.

/thread

 

[Ziggiy]

I never liked the "I bomb atomically" sh*t, lol. Thought it was corny.

You should be banned from all Hip Hop discussion and stomped by a thousand Timbs.

 

[RAX 010]

Boot camp is my nikkas but hell no

 

[BeBorn]

They had a wave but the suave house is kinda spot on that for the people album was such a let down God damn I loved nocturnal brought it da storm and dah shining but Magnum force was such a departure from what I was expecting I remind the buckshot album in 99 vaguely but they didn't have any star power plus the 2pac death deleted the one nation album but really they wasn't no stars and didn't have any over the top megahits yeah Sean p was able to reinvent himself but for the cat saying starang it was a moment deck is nicer in every way if that flood never happen deck most likely would've had the best wu album no bap

 

[BuddahMAC]

Wu needed Puffy to remix All I need

The RZA remix was the video version

BCC's 3 biggest momentum killers:

1. Priority Records mishandling their careers and direction of their sound.

Duck Down was an indie w/ a distro deal through Priority. Priority wouldn't really have any creative control.

And that's the main thing I haven't seen mentioned in the "bigger than" discussion: Wu splitting off and having completely different labels w/ their promotion teams, ad budgets, A&Rs, etc... all pushing the Clan & solos at the same time. Loud, Def Jam, Elektra, Geffen & Sony all having their full efforts throwing up the W to print/radio/TV/etc...

Boot Camp did their thing but they couldn't construct the same machine as that, especially as they were on the same timeline as it was being invented.