Could Jay-z ever do a record like Poison/What Goes Around?

[Mike Otherz]

I think the term classic has become overused and people can't seperate it from "really good" "great" or "sh1t I really like"

I'm the wrong person to try to pass boderline albums as classic to because I feel there have only been about 15 classic albums in the entire history of hip hop...

To me a classic is genre defining, revolutionary body of work that has to be innovative and creative to a level that we haven't experienced before..Nobody I know felt that way when RD came out...It was just another dope album..

OB4CL owns the lane for "classic" in the genre of New York drug dealer/mafioso rap...Thats why as good as Doe or Die, IWW or RD were they still are viewed as carbon copy or OB4CL Lite....


To me The Infamous is classic because it revolutionized lyrical Eastcoast gangster rap on a level we hadn't heard before...

IWW and RD didn't do any of this.. It was just two collections of dope songs mixed in with R&B Hook fueled filler...

I've never been able to listen to either album without skipping tracks...

Infamous is a perfect album. i can listen to that sh!t top to bottom and not skip one track. and the production gives it the edge over OB4CL and even Illmatic for me.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

TBA is a classic to people our age (and hov stanleys ). like I said a lot of us think it's Jay's greatest album. When it came out it was huge, especially the street singles like 99 problems, Dirt off your shoulder, PSA.... Plus the remixes and all the shyt that's come off it since is huge. I think it's the most remixed hip hop album ever along with 36 chambers. I honestly think it sums up Jay as an artist. It has the swag raps, the hustler stories, the rare touches of personal tracks... And it showcases his (former) greatest talent; which is his ability to make it work over any kind of production..

When white people who don't really fukk with hip-hop and read Spin magazine avidly think of Jay-Z, IMO that's the album they think of.

I don't distinguish between personal and 'objective' classics, because I can't empirically determine how influential something is.

This was a reasonable post, but I fixed the bolded part for you.

 

[Mike Otherz]

i think history will judge jay as a great singles/songs artist rather than a great album artist. album for album its hard to put any of his sh!t in the top 20. but song for song he is right at the top.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

nikkaz think those songs are good? Poison?

nikkaz trollin right now

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Classic's literal definition is "of the first or highest quality." People may overuse the term "classic" for every hot album, but to pretend that it is only reserved for albums that changed the course of trends or styles is just being ignorant of history. Every genre of art has artists with works that are less transformative than even THEIR OWN prior works but they are regarded as classic because they were superior pieces of work. When people say this is a "classic" or quintessential PIcasso painting they are not just referring to his first usage of cubism. Your instincts are right. When Rolling Stone ranks the 500 greatest albums of all time and calls them classic, every Beatles album on there was not as genre-defining or shifting as the other. Changing the entire course of music is not a necessary component of a classic album as defined by critics and the masses alike, it just happens to do so frequently. It never has been, and it never will be. Your instincts were right.

But TBA isn't a Picasso painting or anything of the sort. It's not THAT good. It's a solid 4/5 album.

You were probably in middle school when it came out though. I can understand how a 12 or 13 year old would consider it a masterpiece.

 

[Techniec]

But TBA isn't a Picasso painting or anything of the sort. It's not THAT good. It's a solid 4/5 album.

You were probably in middle school when it came out though. I can understand how a 12 or 13 year old would consider it a masterpiece.

ehhhh everythings relative with jay z fans

reasonable doubt is so much better than any other jay record, so it HAS to be a classic

TBA HAS to be a classic for the same reason

Jay did something different with AG, it HAS to be a classic

 

[Redwing80]

jay hasnt sold a drug in like 20 years

He wasn't selling drugs when he was rapping....

 

[Digga38]

He wasn't selling drugs when he was rapping....

fukk it 30 year then

 

[Redwing80]

fukk it 30 year then

You think Jay could make a song like this? It's not in his character IMO