COVID-19 Pandemic (Coronavirus)

[trillanova]

This is the point where the "do your own research" and skeptical crowd hits a brick wall because the only way you could "see it" would be by having access to equipment that could perform chromatography and spectroscopy. Basically researchers and the scientists employed by the big pharma and the fda know how to validate and verify the components in a vaccine.

And best believe there will be plenty of third party researchers looking to verify that the vaccines do indeed contain what they claim to contain and not a single thing more.

you’re making an argument with no proof.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

you’re making an argument with no proof.

It was in reference to the "we can't see it" part where I identified the equipment needed to analyze and verify that the Moderna/pfizer scientists synthesized the vaccine they claimed to have synthesized. Every lab has this equipment and the FDA has Thier own labs/equipment to verify the results and best believe they will be thorough because someone's job is on the line if they fukk up. Getting sat down by the FDA means a loss in revenue, just look at Johnson and Johnson, they lost out on billions and 10s of millions of shots they could have administered.

At some point you have to have some trust in the professionals and if it's too much to do that you have to go further than blind skeptism.

 

[trillanova]

It was in reference to the "we can't see it" part where I identified the equipment needed to analyze and verify that the Moderna/pfizer scientists synthesized the vaccine they claimed to have synthesized. Every lab has this equipment and the FDA has Thier own labs/equipment to verify the results and best believe they will be thorough because someone's job is on the line if they fukk up. Getting sat down by the FDA means a loss in revenue, just look at Johnson and Johnson, they lost out on billions and 10s of millions of shots they could have administered.

At some point you have to have some trust in the professionals and if it's too much to do that you have to go further than blind skeptism.

I'm not talking about the vaccine, I'm talking about the thread.

 

[trillanova]

It was in reference to the "we can't see it" part where I identified the equipment needed to analyze and verify that the Moderna/pfizer scientists synthesized the vaccine they claimed to have synthesized. Every lab has this equipment and the FDA has Thier own labs/equipment to verify the results and best believe they will be thorough because someone's job is on the line if they fukk up. Getting sat down by the FDA means a loss in revenue, just look at Johnson and Johnson, they lost out on billions and 10s of millions of shots they could have administered.

At some point you have to have some trust in the professionals and if it's too much to do that you have to go further than blind skeptism.

who are "the professionals" and why do i trust "the professional's" and if we don't know exactly who these people are and their intentions, that's just as blind as my skepticism.

 

[trillanova]

The vaccine industry is notoriously shady so I'm not sure how you equate their professionalism as sincerity to do what they say. I can pull up a multitude of evidence but then that would lead to an alternate narrative and i'm not so sure that's welcome on thecoli anymore...

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

who are "the professionals" and why do i trust "the professional's" and if we don't know exactly who these people are and their intentions, that's just as blind as my skepticism.

The professionals are the people involved in the process of making the vaccine. The vaccine developers, virologists, immunologists, and the research pharmicists participating in the trials (among others).

If i really want you can look up the papers/research conducted by moderna's lead vaccine developer (Kezzmekia Corbett) for the mrna vaccine she developed. Additionally her work has also been peer reviewed by her colleagues and others in academia.

Kizzmekia S. Corbett

An mRNA vaccine against SARS-CoV-2—preliminary report


Safety and immunogenicity of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA-1273 vaccine in older adults

Pre-fusion structure of a human coronavirus spike protein




You can even see that she's been working on this since 2016 (at least)

Immunogenicity and structures of a rationally designed prefusion MERS-CoV spike antigen


Pre-fusion structure of a human coronavirus spike protein

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

I'm not talking about the vaccine, I'm talking about the thread.

You can't make a thread titled "I
can put my mask on or take it it off but I can't un-inject my body w/ shyt I can't even comprehend" and not expect someone to talk about the science of the vaccines.

Especially when you later made a post being proud of your unvaccinated DNA. That's an alternative viewpoint that works really need to be explained further.

 

[trillanova]

You can't make a thread titled "I
can put my mask on or take it it off but I can't un-inject my body w/ shyt I can't even comprehend" and not expect someone to talk about the science of the vaccines.

Especially when you later made a post being proud of your unvaccinated DNA. That's an alternative viewpoint that works really need to be explained further.

I can't make a thread expressing why I choose to wear a mask and still practice social distancing (all within CDC guidelines) instead of taking the vaccine? I'm glad that I didn't get an injection that I feel is rushed and being forced. It's that simple. It's just a viewpoint. If someone doesn't agree with it, that's not a reason to delete it entirely. People post all types of bullshyt about what they feel in here every fukking day. Miss me with that bullshyt.

 

[trillanova]

The professionals are the people involved in the process of making the vaccine. The vaccine developers, virologists, immunologists, and the research pharmicists participating in the trials (among others).

If i really want you can look up the papers/research conducted by moderna's lead vaccine developer (Kezzmekia Corbett) for the mrna vaccine she developed. Additionally her work has also been peer reviewed by her colleagues and others in academia.

Kizzmekia S. Corbett

An mRNA vaccine against SARS-CoV-2—preliminary report


Safety and immunogenicity of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA-1273 vaccine in older adults

Pre-fusion structure of a human coronavirus spike protein




You can even see that she's been working on this since 2016 (at least)

Immunogenicity and structures of a rationally designed prefusion MERS-CoV spike antigen


Pre-fusion structure of a human coronavirus spike protein

The vaccine industry is notoriously shady so I'm not sure how you equate their professionalism as sincerity to do what they say. I can pull up a multitude of evidence but then that would lead to an alternate narrative and i'm not so sure that's welcome on thecoli anymore...

 

[winb83]

I can't make a thread expressing why I choose to wear a mask and still practice social distancing (all within CDC guidelines) instead of taking the vaccine? I'm glad that I didn't get an injection that I feel is rushed and being forced. It's that simple. It's just a viewpoint. If someone doesn't agree with it, that's not a reason to delete it entirely. People post all types of bullshyt about what they feel in here every fukking day. Miss me with that bullshyt.

So if it had to be one or the other you’d choose COVID over the vaccine?

 

[trillanova]

So if it had to be one or the other you’d choose COVID over the vaccine?

I'll choose mask wearing and social distancing along with maintaining a healthy diet and plenty of exercise and sunlight. I have no pre-existing health conditions. I live in NYC and never contracted COVID. Your argument is a stupid fukking strawman argument that has nothing to do with being healthy or maintaining health. You're choosing the lesser of 2 evils when I don't have to do either. If it came down to it, I probably won't contract COVID, but if I did, I'm very confident I'll survive just like the majority of people I know who got it. One person I know died from COVID and they were in their 80s. Everyone else got it and got over it very quickly.

 

[winb83]

I'll choose mask wearing and social distancing along with maintaining a healthy diet and plenty of exercise and sunlight. I have no pre-existing health conditions. I live in NYC and never contracted COVID. Your argument is a stupid fukking strawman argument that has nothing to do with being healthy or maintaining health. You're choosing the lesser of 2 evils when I don't have to do either. If it came down to it, I probably won't contract COVID, but if I did, I'm very confident I'll survive just like the majority of people I know who got it. One person I know died from COVID and they were in their 80s. Everyone else got it and got over it very quickly.

So you’d choose COVID. Your gamble that you don’t get COVID is essentially saying you’d rather actually get COVID than get vaccinated.

If that’s your choice then that’s your choice but why not face it head on? All the precautions you’re talking about are meaningless if someone you’re constantly exposed to gets COVID. At best all that social distance works when you have a brief limited exposure but when someone you live with or work with that you’re around for hours gets this it’s yours.

I didn’t want to get vaccinated but I took the shot the first chance I got because the odds say my chances of survival are drastically better with the shot. 160+ million have had at least 1 shot and under 7k of them have even got COVID after. This is over 8-9 months. Hell just yesterday more unvaccinated people than that were diagnosed in a single day.

I get that people say they don’t know the long term effect of the vaccine but those same people also don’t know the short term or long term effects COVID will have on them either.

Most of these people not getting vaccinated at the root of their logic is it won’t happen to me. They either think they won’t catch COVID or if they do catch it they won’t have a bad outcome. Over a long enough timeline if you’re unvaccinated you’re likely going to get COVID. That being the case why take any precautions? Why not just live life and if/when you get it you get it?

 

[trillanova]

So you’d choose COVID. Your gamble that you don’t get COVID is essentially saying you’d rather actually get COVID than get vaccinated.

If that’s your choice then that’s your choice but why not face it head on? All the precautions you’re talking about are meaningless if someone you’re constantly exposed to gets COVID. At best all that social distance works when you have a brief limited exposure but when someone you live with or work with that you’re around for hours gets this it’s yours.

I didn’t want to get vaccinated but I took the shot the first chance I got because the odds say my chances of survival are drastically better with the shot. 160+ million have had at least 1 shot and under 7k of them have even got COVID after. This is over 8-9 months. Hell just yesterday more unvaccinated people than that were diagnosed in a single day.

I get that people say they don’t know the long term effect of the vaccine but those same people also don’t know the short term or long term effects COVID will have on them either.

Most of these people not getting vaccinated at the root of their logic is it won’t happen to me. They either think they won’t catch COVID or if they do catch it they won’t have a bad outcome. Over a long enough timeline if you’re unvaccinated you’re likely going to get COVID. That being the case why take any precautions? Why not just live life and if/when you get it you get it?

I would never choose covid tho. I would choose to stay healthy at all costs and protect myself by socially distancing, washing my hands regularly and wearing a mask. why would i choose to get a virus? you said all that as a hypothetical not rooted in any reality except for the false hypothetical reality you presented.

 

[CrimsonTider]

I would never choose covid tho. I would choose to stay healthy at all costs and protect myself by socially distancing, washing my hands regularly and wearing a mask. why would i choose to get a virus? you said all that as a hypothetical not rooted in any reality except for the false hypothetical reality you presented.

Socially distancing isn’t practical like @winb83 said

 

[trillanova]

Socially distancing isn’t practical like @winb83 said

how isn't it practical now? was it ever unpractical? if it was, the cdc was responsible for that. now that they have the vaccine...how can you be sure this won't be unpractical at some point as well?