Dame Dash Slams Kanye For Being Disloyal

[DredScott]

Man you crazy Kanye was never mos def/talib status, matter of fact he gave them careers and made them mainstream

only hit talib ever had was get by produced by Ye before he even was known as a rapper

this isn't exactly true.

talib brought kanye along as a guest on Common's Electric Circus tour back in early 2003 that also featured Gangstarr and when i went nobody knew who kanye was. they all knew talib and were rapping along to his joints but then talib had kanye spit and it was crickets. I swear I was the only one who knew who kanye was and knew the verses he was rapping. 'ye was a nobody back then.

 

[Master Teacher]

this isn't exactly true.

talib brought kanye along as a guest on Common's Electric Circus tour back in early 2003 that also featured Gangstarr and when i went nobody knew who kanye was. they all knew talib and were rapping along to his joints but then talib had kanye spit and it was crickets. I swear I was the only one who knew who kanye was and knew the verses he was rapping. 'ye was a nobody back then.

And how is this relevant

Talib Kweli's biggest song is Get By, produced by Kanye West

Kanye's first album went Multi platinum, Throught the Wire was the first single, Kanye paid for the video wih his own money, promoted it with his own money
he was already well off from the money he made from producing matter off fact he's the only Roc artist besides Jay to go Multi Platinum

he fukked with Mos Def and them because those were the only rappers who accepted him back then

 

[Master Teacher]

Not true..in fact..he wasn't even Rocafella's go to producer..it was Just Blaze.

Just Blaze is better than Kanye, but Kaney was the go to guy for the Industry when he was hot, Just was never that hot as far is being in demand he didn't even do other big artist till the Roc had faded

you forget Kanye did joints of Janet Jackson, Alicia Keys, he brought Common into the mainstream as well as Twista let's be serious

 

[DredScott]

And how is this relevant

Talib Kweli's biggest song is Get By, produced by Kanye West

Kanye's first album went Multi platinum, Throught the Wire was the first single, Kanye paid for the video wih his own money, promoted it with his own money
he was already well off from the money he made from producing matter off fact he's the only Roc artist besides Jay to go Multi Platinum

he fukked with Mos Def and them because those were the only rappers who accepted him back then

it's relevant because you said that kanye was never talib/mos def status, when back then he was even less than that. he wasn't even underground or backpack status, he had no status other than being a producer for Rocafella that people couldn't care enough about to find out how to pronounce his name correctly. it doesn't matter how much money he had by then, cause he wasn't famous.

 

[Master Teacher]

it's relevant because you said that kanye was never talib/mos def status, when back then he was even less than that. he wasn't even underground or backpack status, he had no status other than being a producer for Rocafella that people couldn't care enough about to find out how to pronounce his name correctly. it doesn't matter how much money he had by then, cause he wasn't famous.

The general public didn't even know kanye was making those beats only hip hop heads

kanye put out a mixtape himself and it took off, then he dropped the through the wire video

College Dropout came out in 2004 and went multiplat, he was never mos def/talib satus

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

But you're wrong tho. See my above post.

dame is on record. Literally on ye record, saying he didn't believe in him. He signed him so ye wouldn't sign somewhere else. Then said if it's wack he'd just put cam on all his beats

That's not belief. This is after hearing half the damn album. But let's not believe people in their own words when it happened. Let's believe what the say a decade later, after being disgruntled, jealous and broke

What does him being broke and old have to do with the fact that it was Dame Dash who put him on records after Jay-z gave him the ol Ice Cube 'Ayo Kanye, Stick to producing' ???

D-Dot just wanted him to be a ghost producer. No ID just wanted him to be a producer and make beats together. Jay-z gave him the ol CL Smooth 1-2 with the 'just make my beats fakkit'. Dame gave him a shot, admitted reluctance or not. At least Dame put it out there, since he cleared it. Instead of Jay-z going around pretending like he always wanted Kanye to ultimately make Watch The Throne

Not sure why Kanye stans are getting upset that I am saying all Dame deserves is a fair acknowledgement. Not money, not points on an album, nothing like that. It went from 'That's why me and Dame so cool, we a$$holes' to the guy pretending Dame Dash went 6 feet under after the Roc break up.

 

[Goat poster]

So nyggaz in here acting like Kanye could of been just as successful on Rawkus records?

They were dope and I firmly believe he could have made dope music on the label, but he was NOT reaching the heights as a BRAND without that Roca fella/ Def Jam push.

Anybody saying so is either lying or doesn't understand the music business.

And the same goes for Eminem who almost signed to Rawkus before signing to aftermath/interscope, he coulda dropped a dope album on Rawkus. But that Dre co-sign and Jimmy Iovine bread had a WHOLE lot to do with him becoming a mega star.

Rawkus folded as a brand for crying out loud.

 

[Master Teacher]

So nyggaz in here acting like Kanye could of been just as successful on Rawkus records?

They were dope and I firmly believe he could have made dope music on the label, but he was NOT reaching the heights as a BRAND without that Roca fella/ Def Jam push.

Anybody saying so is either lying or doesn't understand the music business.

And the same goes for Eminem who almost signed to Rawkus before signing to aftermath/interscope, he coulda dropped a dope album on Rawkus. But that Dre co-sign and Jimmy Iovine bread had a WHOLE lot to do with him becoming a mega star.

Rawkus folded as a brand for crying out loud.

Kanye would have made it regardless his grind was undeniable, the Roc didn't get behind ye until he got himself out with that mixtape and throught the wire

where was the roc push for beanie sigel, freeway, chris and neef who never had nowhere near the success, ye only one to go double and triple platinum on the Roc besides Jay-z

Eminem and Kaney are too different situations, Eminem needed Dre to create a formula for him, Kanye already had his vision because he's a PRODUCER too so he just had to make his vision

Yea him being on the Roc helped, but he also helped them by giving them classic production,

 

[Deltron]

You're nuts if you think Em/Ye would be where they are now without the backing of Dre/Roc.

Would they both have had careers? Yeah, I don't doubt that.

Would Em be going 5x? I highly doubt it..I could see him being Def Jux/El-P status.

Ye wouldn't be on the same Kardashian Diva shyt.

 

[Wacky D]

Jay is a salesmen not a businesses man. He rather sale for nike then build a nike.

exactly.

people like jay-z & steve stoute done blurred the lines so badly for people.

But you're wrong tho. See my above post.

dame is on record. Literally on ye record, saying he didn't believe in him. He signed him so ye wouldn't sign somewhere else. Then said if it's wack he'd just put cam on all his beats

That's not belief. This is after hearing half the damn album. But let's not believe people in their own words when it happened. Let's believe what the say a decade later, after being disgruntled, jealous and broke

well thats pretty much why most people get signed anyway. whether he believed in him or not, dame believed in him enough to give him a shot. thats all that matters. especially considering that kanye doesnt even believe in kanye as a rapper. hence, all the ghostwriters.

and the impression given off back then was that they were gonna have kanye do an album similar to the chronic. basically kanye would be the main rapper on the project but he wouldnt neccessarily have to carry the album - yet, he would still get the bulk of the credit.

album wouldve been alot better if they did that too.

i guess they nixed that idea when they saw that kanye could really crossover.

Say what you want but Ye said it himself it was Dame that had faith in him not Jay and it was Dame giving him the Roc chain in Through the Wire video. Plus Sway asked him during a MTV interview was it wrong to side with Jay and not Dame and the nikka said yeah

yep.
yep.

It's immature. I haven't heard anyone say that outside of Dame and Hibbert since the mid-'00s. We're adults, we know what you mean isnt gay

then you need to just speak for yourself and your own experiences if those are the only 2 adults you heard saying it in the past 10 years.

 

[Wacky D]

SMH at Dame basically preaching ignorance. Let me get this straight...Biggs was part owner of a multi-million dollar record label, and as soon as it was over, he gores backwards to being a drug dealer? Despite all the money he made, all the connections he had to make, he goes back to being a drug dealer and all Dame can say publicly is he's mad at Kanye?

i dont know much about the biggs situation, if hes even guilty.

but i can see that alot of you would be surprised at whos behind these drug rings. theres nothing going backwards about it.

Man you crazy Kanye was never mos def/talib status, matter of fact he gave them careers and made them mainstream

only hit talib ever had was get by produced by Ye before he even was known as a rapper

can you even name a mos def song since kanye blew up?

kweli was kweli before kanye.

Just Blaze is better than Kanye, but Kaney was the go to guy for the Industry when he was hot, Just was never that hot as far is being in demand he didn't even do other big artist till the Roc had faded

you forget Kanye did joints of Janet Jackson, Alicia Keys, he brought Common into the mainstream as well as Twista let's be serious

just blaze was indeed a go-to producer in the industry before kanye.

kanye didnt blow like that as a producer until he started "rapping".

common was already somewhat mainstream.

Kanye would have made it regardless his grind was undeniable, the Roc didn't get behind ye until he got himself out with that mixtape and throught the wire

where was the roc push for beanie sigel, freeway, chris and neef who never had nowhere near the success, ye only one to go double and triple platinum on the Roc besides Jay-z

Eminem and Kaney are too different situations, Eminem needed Dre to create a formula for him, Kanye already had his vision because he's a PRODUCER too so he just had to make his vision

Yea him being on the Roc helped, but he also helped them by giving them classic production,

those state property cats werent intended to have kanye's success and didnt even get a quarter of kanye's push. horrible comparison.

kanye contributed to the roc with his beats, but he was replaceable. he benefited way more from them.

 

[spliz]

Just Blaze is better than Kanye, but Kaney was the go to guy for the Industry when he was hot, Just was never that hot as far is being in demand he didn't even do other big artist till the Roc had faded

you forget Kanye did joints of Janet Jackson, Alicia Keys, he brought Common into the mainstream as well as Twista let's be serious

Son ur buggin..I didn't forget anything..don't rewrite history here..before 04...when the Roc was in their prime...Just Blaze was the go to producer for all of the Rocafella artists and the industry..Jay Z included...it was all about Just Blaze on that label and if u deny that ur buggin..

 

[Master Teacher]

Son ur buggin..I didn't forget anything..don't rewrite history here..before 04...when the Roc was in their prime...Just Blaze was the go to producer for all of the Rocafella artists and the industry..Jay Z included...

Stop acting like Kanye was also a heavy contributor man you sound stupid, you can't even make an argument based on that Just and Kanye came around the same time yet
Kanye became a Super Producer while Just was still producing for just the Roc this a fact

Beanie Sigel's the Truth was his lead single, produced by Kanye West this is 1999, Just Blaze had an album cut with Bleek featured on their not single

in 2000 Dynasty Album Just had more joints on the album, but once again This Can't Be Life was a huge song played on radio, and it was produced by Kanye West

2001 Blueprint, H to Izzo was the first single produced by Kanye, Takeover produced by Kanye, heart of the city produced by Kanye West, Never Change produced by Kanye West Just Blaze did Girls Girls, You Don't Know, and Song Cry

he even gave scarface a hit with Guess Who's back 2002 which gave him Mainstream success he never saw, he produced Get By for Talib Kewli, his biggest hit,

Produced a track on T.I's trap music and Alicia Keys You don't Know My name

he was in way more demand

this all before 04

 

[spliz]

Stop acting like Kanye was also a heavy contributor man you sound stupid, you can't even make an argument based on that Just and Kanye came around the same time yet
Kanye became a Super Producer while Just was still producing for just the Roc this a fact

Beanie Sigel's the Truth was his lead single, produced by Kanye West this is 1999, Just Blaze had an album cut with Bleek featured on their not single

in 2000 Dynasty Album Just had more joints on the album, but once again This Can't Be Life was a huge song played on radio, and it was produced by Kanye West

2001 Blueprint, H to Izzo was the first single produced by Kanye, Takeover produced by Kanye, heart of the city produced by Kanye West, Never Change produced by Kanye West Just Blaze did Girls Girls, You Don't Know, and Song Cry

he even gave scarface a hit with Guess Who's back 2002 which gave him Mainstream success he never saw, he produced Get By for Talib Kewli, his biggest hit,

Produced a track on T.I's trap music and Alicia Keys You don't Know My name

he was in way more demand

this all before 04

Son u need to just be quiet...everyone knows what Kanye BECAME...I'm telling u who was who FIRST...only an a$$hole who either doesn't remember or didn't live thru it would argue that Kanye was fukkin wit Just blaze during the PRIME of that label...there's no question..ur just wrong..no opinions..ur just wrong....Kanye made hot shyt during the prime..but he wasn't THAT nikka till after Jay and Dame parted ways..FACT...shyt like "You Don't Know My Name"..and all that hot shyt ain't blow up till 04...shyt..the damn album came out in November of 03...

 

[KnowledgeOfSelf17]

did i just read kanye blew up mos def and talib.....