Damn... Check These First Week Sales Numbers...

[Dilltastic VolWon(derful)]

Never thought mumbling incoherently while holding a sippy cup would get Rocko rich

*fixed*

 

[L&HH]

Publishing doesn't allow for them to make the same as before, because the revenue from streams is nowhere near where it was before with physical copies being sold. They're not seeing anywhere close to the same money from streams. In the late 90's, the standard net value of a "certified" platinum project for labels, was around $10M. They've seen a 85% decline in revenue in comparison to what streams of that quantity bring in today. And they're not going to distribute funds to the artist before they get back what they need first. So artists are barely getting anything from it.

You're not accounting for how much costs have went down. Videos budgets aren't millions of dollars anymore. Recording costs also aren't millions of dollars any m

It's not about being stuck in the past. For those of us who've been around long enough to compare, and who've made money, you know there's a huge difference in the money that was being made back then and now. There's way less money being made today because sales are down crazy. People don't buy albums anymore the way they used to. So streams are never going to make you or the label, what they did before when physical or even digital copies were the standard for "sales". It's just common knowledge.

I acknowledged that the money isn't the same but that doesn't mean there isn't any money. There's still a lot of money being realized in other ways. Where direct music sales may have fell, music shows and merchandising have gone up. You see how there's a gazillion and 1 festivals now a days spanning all across the globe. An artist probably doesn't even have to schedule their own tour anymore these days, just get in good with the festival circuit and colleges and you'll eat every spring to fall. There's more endorsement deals and sponsorships as well.

 

[Doomsday]

I was messing with Mozzy before he signed a distribution deal with this Koch like label.

And Mozzy only put out 2 albums through Empire, even Young Dolph and Rich Homie Quan put music out through Empire.

Budden puts his music out through E1, what would you consider him?

Again, distribution deals the way they were when the artist pulled a fast one on the label (Master P, Birdman) no longer exist. Nowadays people use code words to make artist look cool. It's a game of monopoly. The artist will never get the lions share unless he's only selling on his personal site, bandcamp or something along those lines. You simply cannot distribute music in this day and age on any relevant platform without some form of middle man.

Empire in particular, is closer to a traditional label than E1 and some of the others, where you have to pay to distribute. Nipsey Hussle is the closest thing to independent in this era, followed by Chance, but Chance is so connected with those label people he might as well be signed. As far as Joe Budden is concerned, he's now signed to Empire distribution as well.

 

[Awesome Wells]

You're not accounting for how much costs have went down. Videos budgets aren't millions of dollars anymore. Recording costs also aren't millions of dollars any m

I acknowledged that the money isn't the same but that doesn't mean there isn't any money. There's still a lot of money being realized in other ways. Where direct music sales may have fell, music shows and merchandising have gone up. You see how there's a gazillion and 1 festivals now a days spanning all across the globe. An artist probably doesn't even have to schedule their own tour anymore these days, just get in good with the festival circuit and colleges and you'll eat every spring to fall. There's more endorsement deals and sponsorships as well.

True, but costs being down don't have anything to do with what labels want to make though. The 360 deal exists solely due to albums making way less money. Costs being down is what labels want, but they still want to make as much money as possible, per artist. It's a business. Tours, merchandise, publishing, endorsement deals, sponsorships, all of these things fall under the 360. What that means is that artists are seeing way less money than ever because labels want to be paid as much as they possibly can from every dollar that artist brings in.

This is today's music business. It's not the 90's. Don't fall for the cars and houses hype. These guys aren't getting rich off of music anymore. It's common knowledge that if you've signed your deal after 2009, you're mostly likely in a 360. The sad part is, everyone wants to look rich. That's Hip Hop, it's how we do things. But the truth is, most of these artists are in heavy debt or flat-out broke, living on advances and borrowed funds. It's not cool to speak about, but it's the reality of the business today.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

Holy shyt I ain't even know that Soul and Snoop dropped albums

 

[CrimsonTider]

Seems like the heads should be supporting their artist instead spending all their time complaining about new artist

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

Seems like the heads should be supporting their artist instead spending all their time complaining about new artist

Dont assume

 

[Playaz Eyez]

Tech N9ne been killin it since 99

Nope.
Weezy dont mumble breh

That's basically all he did between 2010 til now. But he's trash and has been for a long time, so no one cares

 

[kangkong]

Wait what's the point of this thread?

 

[NigerianDonDada]

Yeah Future one of the more popular artists at this time. Makes sense.

Crazy how he's more popular than Big Sean.

Never thought my GOAT would get this big

at Future being more popular than Sean.

A1/Freebandz/Epic’s Future has debuted at #1 on the HITS Sales Plus Streaming (SPS) Chart, moving approximately 139k units of his eponymous album.


Big Sean sees a big bow this week, as his I Decided. (G.O.O.D./Def Jam) debuts at #1 on the HITS Sales Plus Streaming (SPS) Chart with 156k.


Will let y'all tho

 

[666 ReVeNGe 666]

at Future being more popular than Sean.

A1/Freebandz/Epic’s Future has debuted at #1 on the HITS Sales Plus Streaming (SPS) Chart, moving approximately 139k units of his eponymous album.


Big Sean sees a big bow this week, as his I Decided. (G.O.O.D./Def Jam) debuts at #1 on the HITS Sales Plus Streaming (SPS) Chart with 156k.


Will let y'all tho

Future doing more and getting more looks and doing bigger tours and making better albums.

First week doesn't pain the full picture.

Future will outsell him. Lol.

Future probably sold more albums overall

Big Sean doing his best deal impression ever since twenty88. He just a smart brand drake now

 

[Super Future Luther King Jr.]

But when I play some of my friends Ransom or Ar-Ab they don't want to check them out, and Ar-Ab, Mozzy, and Ransom is all I listen to these days. Would love if they could get some mainstream success.

Idk breh. Mozzy been getting a lot of show money, and linking with a ton of artists, getting a lot of great looks and grinding his ass off the last year-18 months to make shyt pop. Yeah he been at it for a hot minute but he's closer to "success" than ever.....even though he eating already

 

[frush11]

Compare those numbers to 15 years ago when nikkas was doing 600k, 500k, 200k, first week, no streams, just physical copies. They ain't lying when they said there's no money in Hip Hop anymore

In music

 

[WickedGames]

I remember when Tony Yayo selling like 250k first week was the funniest flop ever to SOHH. Now those top tier rapper numbers

As a music addict the streaming method is better for me and I feel like I support more with my listens and months fee. If it wasn't for streaming I'd be bootlegging everything and only occasionally buying classics

 

[Illified infinitely]

Streaming equivalents is hilarious. Like saying if I jack off 1500 times it's the equivalent of fukking one p*ssy