Dave East on The King of New York: "Jay Z and Nas Still Out Here

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You forget this is entertainment

Do guys like you
Do women want you

Simple...Can’t make anyone fukk with anything in life. Anyone who who has ever been the man in NYC had presence. This is why Joey does so well with white people...White people like what they understand...rattling off words. It’s the very same reason why rap is one of the things they could never take artistically...it’s too kinetic and they don’t have the makeup to create slang, flows, dances etc

Once again it isn’t the fans fault Joey’s approach to music is more favorable to hunhkees than the bros
I didn't forget anything, I walked the same path and stopped when I realized it's conform or die. You're saying all this like there wasn't a time where the two were balanced.

And you can make people fukk with anything...follow the formula.

They could never take rap artistically because of that balance. Copying our image is easy.
 

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You do this in many threads involving Kendrick or where his name comes up. In fact outside of 1 post about us being "stuck in the 90s", all your posts in here are about him. You go out of your way to down him. So, yes, maybe I am.

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eh I don't dikkride him and think he has "mutiple classics" like yall do. and no your not more objective your bias just like your accusing me of being.

If it was "just music" Kendrick would be looked at in a totally different light and would just be one of many rappers in his locale who only blow but so much. The spitter element plays a part in his gravity.

So where are his equivalent projects?
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No he wouldnt, Kendrick is seen how he is because of his music.

B4 da Ass, 2012, and All Amerikkan badass are Joeys projects. as well as doing Beast coast which can be his answer to Kendricks group projects(Black panther LP)

And in other words, you're a non-LA nikka screaming to other non-LA nikkas about what we don't know.
Lol ok nikka if thats how it is
You can make a thread and we can ask LA folk if Kendrick is seen as highly as yall think he is.

anyways I dont want to sidetrack this thread away from the topic. So this will prolly be my last post in here about this.
 

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eh I don't dikkride him and think he has "mutiple classics" like yall do. and no your not more objective your bias just like your trying to pin on me.


No he wouldnt, Kendrick is seen how he is because of his music.

B4 da Ass, 2012, and All Amerikkan badass are Joeys projects. as well as doing Beast coast which can be his answer to Kendricks group projects(Black panther LP)

Lol ok nikka if thats how it is
You can make a thread and we can ask LA folk if Kendrick is seen as highly as yall think he is.

anyways I dont want to sidetrack this thread away from the topic. So this will prolly be my last post in here about this.
And you make sure to let everyone know he shouldn't be "dikkrode" every chance you get.

No, if it were solely music he'd be another average LA rapper with a fanbase extremely concentrated on the West Coast.

I didn't ask you the name of Joey's projects, I asked you where are the ones that are just as good.

Make it.

And too late.
 

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And you make sure to let everyone know he shouldn't be "dikkrode" every chance you get.

No, if it were solely music he'd be another average LA rapper with a fanbase extremely concentrated on the West Coast.

I didn't ask you the name of Joey's projects, I asked you where are the ones that are just as good.

Make it.

And too late
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this is a message board and when there are threads, post about him having "3 classics" top 10 etc. yeah im going to respond to ridiculousness. No different then how yall respond if someone said that about any other rapper like say drake/cole/badass/Gibbs etc. or whatever else ya'll disagree with
you seem to just not like it cause its Kendrick that I do it to. lol

Yg isnt a spitter and has a fanbase that expands outside of the West, so idk where your getting that you need to be a "spitter" to get that size of a fanbase.

thats why I named Joey's projects smartguy. those projects arguably match Kendricks. Altho I will say GKMC is the best out of all of them imo.

@underline: you can make the thread.

eh i concur, we havent reach a whole page where its just you and me arguing about it.

I dont want this to be that^ tho. So I will stop until that thread is made by you or whoever.

you can go on and have the last word now.
 

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this is a message board and when there are threads, post about him having "3 classics" top 10 etc. yeah im going to respond to ridiculousness. No different then how yall respond if someone said that about any other rapper like say drake/cole/badass/Gibbs etc. or whatever else ya'll disagree with
you seem to just not like it cause its Kendrick that I do it to. lol

Yg isnt a spitter and has a fanbase that expands outside of the West, so idk where your getting that you need to be a "spitter" to get that size of a fanbase.

thats why I named Joey's projects smartguy. those projects arguably match Kendricks. Altho I will say GKMC is the best out of all of them imo.

@underline: you can make the thread.

eh i concur, we havent reach a whole page where its just you and me arguing about it.

I dont want this to be that^ tho. So I will stop until that thread is made by you or whoever.

you can go on and have the last word now.
So you don't do it to anybody but Kendrick? And nobody says that about anybody you listed because they're nowhere near it.

I didn't say the fanbase would be exclusive to the West, but concentrated there. Just like you swear people don't fukk with Kendrick that heavily in his own city, I can tell you YG isn't getting that much play where I am.

Nobody believes that about Joey's projects but you.

You're adamant about Kendrick being run of the mill so use the brehs to make your case.

You had like 3 posts with his name before I responded to you.
 

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You are both right in a way. I don't feel like writing all the reasons why. 50 was on top of the game in his prime. So was Dmx. But his pen is not fukking with Jay and Nas.
His pen was different. It's different types of writers. 50 told his story in his way. It's things 50 did better than a lot of rappers. 50 Cent was not average at all. He knew how to tell stories, he knew how to say hard shyt and hit you with them harsh realities, he had mic presence and authenticity, he had a dope flow and voice, he knew how to write hooks, he understood melody.

50 was a real king, it's almost no year you could point to that Jay and Nas had it on lock dolo they always had competition.
 

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Joey is not as creative as Kendrick. You don't like Kendrick so you're going to say he is. But nonetheless, New York doesn't value spitters, because if they did Joey would be more popular than he is. He literally has 1 Platinum single, nothing else, no Gold or anything.

And Kendrick had a strong enough presence in LA to get Interscope to pick him up and give him the "machine" in the first place, which doesn't matter because tens of rappers signed to the same label and drowned. His peers/predeccsors in LA made a point to give him the torch.
I disagree. Joey is as creative and is as skilled as him in a vacuum. I would even say Joey is even more lyrical than Kendrick and was writing shyt at 16 that Kendrick has never come up with. :mjpls:

Joey has one Platinum single and he did so independently without any urban radio play. This is why Joey is where he is because he doesn't want the mainstream validation. He doesn't want to be in a 360 and he doesn't want labels controlling his creative process. He also doesn't chase clout nor does he want all that fame that's just not who he is. He's a private dude.

Joey dropped 1999 in 2012 and his performance had the blogs going crazy comparing him to the likes of Nas and Big L. It was also for my generation one of the hottest tapes when it dropped in NYC. He dropped that tape to critical acclaim and it's as good as any of Kendrick's works. Joey had a deal lined up with Roc Nation and declined it. Joey was linked to Bad Boy and it never materialized. Joey isn't mainstream by choice.

His paper is longer than most rappers on majors he does numbers independently (last album 51,000 first week sales, Platinum single), he's a beast on the festival tour scene, has acting roles in Mr. Robot/Grownish/Wu-Tang, has his own hip-hop collective, ghostwrites for the likes of Post Malone, and has the respect of legends.

Joey pretty much like a modern day Mos Def.
 
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Plus lyrically he’s no better or worse than Dave East or the rest of these guys
Joey has verses that if y'all favorite old school rapper spit them y'all would be dikk riding.

Y'all also need to stop with the "lyrically" shyt. :mjlol:
 

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His pen was different. It's different types of writers. 50 told his story in his way. It's things 50 did better than a lot of rappers. 50 Cent was not average at all. He knew how to tell stories, he knew how to say hard shyt and hit you with them harsh realities, he had mic presence and authenticity, he had a dope flow and voice, he knew how to write hooks, he understood melody.

50 was a real king, it's almost no year you could point to that Jay and Nas had it on lock dolo they always had competition.

fif hooks living on through the young g's*

 

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nah just music,plus none of those albums are really "spitter" like or lyrical miracle
They're not. There was nothing special about Kendrick's performance on To Pimp A Butterfly lyrically, the instrumentation and musicianship is what stands out most. That album flopped as Kendrick's follow up to his "classic" good kid, M.a.a.d. City and outside of Alright being used as a police brutality protest song the album failed to resonate.

That's why Kendrick came back out with that commercialized pop rap album Damn where he used more trap beats, mumble rapper flows, and went and got Rihanna and U2 features. Intercope dropped a bag and mass marketed and payola'd the fukk out the album and Kendrick somehow landed a number one song upon drop.


So lyrical am I right? What a spitter! :gladbron: :mjlol:
 
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Joey has verses that if y'all favorite old school rapper spit them y'all would be dikk riding.

Y'all also need to stop with the "lyrically" shyt. :mjlol:

I dunno Lil homie...the way you hug your Dave East teddy bear I wouldn’t be quick to trust your judgment on shyt :manny:
 

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I dunno Lil homie...the way you hug your Dave East teddy bear I wouldn’t be quick to trust your judgment on shyt :manny:
I got my own criticisms of East but this forum go so hard on the man that I find myself defending him more than not. :beli:
 
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