Daz Dillinger: Tupac and Dr. Dre' got into it!

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people say it , then when they're back in Dre's good graces they go back on it & say he did "so much" so which is it? one day he doesn't do shyt then the next he takes a skeleton beat or an idea and completely reforms it

Some say the plan was for Dr. Dre to have all of the production credits on All Eyez on Me and Tupac thought that'd be cool until he realized he was just taking credit for work he didn't do and wasn't involved in. Soon after Dre left Death Row . . a bit of conjecture here but you may say this was a result of Tupac's presence disrupted the way he did things. You're in your house you sit in a certain spot on your couch and all the sudden someone walks in and like "you ain't sitting there anymore"

If Tupac didn't disrupt this plan we might be looking back 20 years from now thinking about All Eyez on Me as a Dre produced album. It might've been good for sales too (if they could get any better then they were). You might say, "why didn't Tupac just keep his mouth shut and go with it, why'd he have to disrupt how things work" . . well a superstar producer like Dr. Dre may of been getting 5 point royalties on his song . . being that he's the co-owner of the label , the hottest name in hip-hop and with hip-hop's level of extravagance - it may of even been as high as 6 points.

In such a case, if Tupac was earning 20 points on the sales of his album he's now earning 14 because Dr. Dre put his name on it - unless a Dr. Dre produced album would've resulted in 70% higher sales . . that wouldn't be a good deal

Let's round it out to 5 points

so now instead of 20 points Tupac is getting 15 points

A million sales at $10 wholesale price to retailer would yield $2,000,000 in revenue

If he is earning 15 percent that would be $1,500,000

Now Dr. Dre is a big-time producer . . runs the label . . not only is he getting paid on the label side but as a producer he probably has one of the best deals in the business worked out for him as well. This means he's paid on "record one" - that means his 5% is coming on the first sale before the project recoupes

$2,000,000 million in revenue
take $100,000 off the top for Dre's 5 percent
You're at $1,900,000

Tupac had a $1 million advance for that right?

down to $900,000

Now you consider the real life scenario . . Tupac's big blockbuster magnum opus double album is filled with a host of producers and features. Half of - you think Tupac . . "Mr. You can mix it when the rappers aren't here :birdman:" was in the offices cutting out the royalty agreements between the producers? I believe Suge owned half of Daz's publishing and probably managed him too . . you don't think Daz is getting a nice royalty percentage if Suge's taking his 10-20 percent?

When you see something like Tupac was only left with something like $154,000 when he passed . . you would think after selling 6 million copies of an album that retailed for $30 that would be crazy but if you understand royalty computation you would see that's perfectly within the realm of reality - when you consider royalty deductions. Deductions from studio costs - if Tupac is in the studio everyday for a full day's session (8-12 hours) that's at least $1,000 a day not to mention whatever else the label is billing him for - all of that is being deducted from the artist's account - if album 1 loses half a million but album 2 gains $250,000 you still owe $250,000 because it's all handled on the same account - this is called cross-collateralization and is standard on most contracts unless you have the leverage to add the right clauses to your contract. There were accusations of shady accounting . . instances where Tupac's royalties went to pay for miscellaneous items for Death Row's other artists - at some point I do plan to look more into that case between Afeni and Death Row, it seems to be glossed over by most fans, but it's definitely interesting that the posthumous albums were released with the Death Row Records label on them when the term of his contract was 3 albums

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he has lots of classic BEATS but where is his Doggystyle, 2001, Efil4zaggin?
u could say Dre couldn't so those without the other guys the same way they couldn't do those without him. Noone says Dre was useless. What is being said is the nikka didn't deserve all the credit he got. Point blank. And I know ALOT about Dre's studio process. From legendary artists I know personally who worked wit him. Dre is more of an engineer than anything. Especially these days.
 

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people say it , then when they're back in Dre's good graces they go back on it & say he did "so much" so which is it? one day he doesn't do shyt then the next he takes a skeleton beat or an idea and completely reforms it
Like I said. Dre is more of an engineer than anything. But sometimes he will invent something from an idea. Alot of the time tho. He will take a made beat. Let's just call it what it is and stop all that "skeleton" beat nonsense that's said to diminish the work put into the product before Dre touched it. Dre comes in and will mix the fukk out of it. Maybe switch out the drum sounds with his. Add a few little extras. And all of a sudden. It's Dre's beat. There's PLENTY of engineers in the game who do that shyt but don't run around taking full credit for nikkas beats. Dre was also taking credit for beats he didn't touch whatsoever. Beats he did absolutely nothing to. Which is what Daz is talking about here.
 

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and where did their super talent take em without the good doctor :jbhmm:


everyone has an assistant, nurses do all the work but doctors get all the credit, i do all the work but my manager gets all the credit:mjcry:
Where would Dre be without Eminem? They both needed eachother at the moment. Em needed Dre's resources and his polish. Dre needed Eminem's whiteness and his over the topness. Neither one of em was doin shyt before they met eachother. Aftermath wasn't doin shyt before Eminem.
 

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Where would Dre be without Eminem? They both needed eachother at the moment. Em needed Dre's resources and his polish. Dre needed Eminem's whiteness and his over the topness. Neither one of em was doin shyt before they met eachother. Aftermath wasn't doin shyt before Eminem.
:russ:i think you trolling...if not is it the same dr dre from wcwc, nwa, deathrow..the same nikka that turns everything he touches to sold? nah nah breh i think you trolling..good work tho:obama:
 

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Beats by Dre....:pachaha:


On a more serious note, Daz's production on those early Deathrow albums....:whew:

I actually associate Daz' production with the 90s Death Row sound waaaaay more than I do Dre.

I just didn't know it until like 20 years later. :pachaha:
 

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Like I said. Dre is more of an engineer than anything. But sometimes he will invent something from an idea. Alot of the time tho. He will take a made beat. Let's just call it what it is and stop all that "skeleton" beat nonsense that's said to diminish the work put into the product before Dre touched it. Dre comes in and will mix the fukk out of it. Maybe switch out the drum sounds with his. Add a few little extras. And all of a sudden. It's Dre's beat. There's PLENTY of engineers in the game who do that shyt but don't run around taking full credit for nikkas beats. Dre was also taking credit for beats he didn't touch whatsoever. Beats he did absolutely nothing to. Which is what Daz is talking about here.

when was the last time you saw Dre's name on the credits without a co-producer credit? he has been giving proper credit since NWA, even on The Chronic, i think Rat-A-Tat gives Daz credit for drum programming. not to mention Dre has been using musicians since NWa, Stan The Guitar Man, Mike Elizondo, Scott Storch, etc. Death Row is really the only time when you saw Dr. Dre & ONLY Dr. Dre in the credits. in fact i believe on Doggystyle they didn't even have credits listed for each song, it just had Produced by Dr. Dre on the insert. Dre didn't try to take credit for Dogg Food, if he was really stealing credit why wouldn't he do it for that album as well? at least since Aftermath he has always given credit where it's due.
 

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u could say Dre couldn't so those without the other guys the same way they couldn't do those without him. Noone says Dre was useless. What is being said is the nikka didn't deserve all the credit he got. Point blank. And I know ALOT about Dre's studio process. From legendary artists I know personally who worked wit him. Dre is more of an engineer than anything. Especially these days.

i'm not arguing the fact that he had co producers or had help with songs, i just think everytime this comes up it gets blown way out of proportion and people end up thinking Dre has never done ANYTHING on any of these classic albums.
 

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What do you remember about Doggystyle's production?
[It] was was pretty much luck. Everybody thought [Dr. Dre] would be doing the records, but Daz pretty much did the whole album. And at the end of the day, once Daz finished it, everybody wanted Andre to get the credit. Next thing I know Daz is having a meeting with Andre and them and came back and said, "It's okay, give me a few bucks and I'll sign anything over that says produced by Andre instead of me."

"Ain't No Fun"… one of the homies from The Swans [ed note: the Mad Swan Bloods, or MSB, are a Los Angeles subset of The Bloods street gang] named Pooh, all them dudes already had a record done. And they came and played it for us in the studio. They played us the demo. Everybody looked at it like it was alright. And then after they left, shyt, everybody was chopping that same beat.


Read more: Suge Knight Reflects on 'Doggystyle' 20 Years Later
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:russ:i think you trolling...if not is it the same dr dre from wcwc, nwa, deathrow..the same nikka that turns everything he touches to sold? nah nah breh i think you trolling..good work tho:obama:
nikka Aftermath was FAILING before Em came in the picture. That's a fsct. He had Aftermath for bout 4-5 years by the time Em came and he wasn't having success with it. He needed a big artist. And that crazy ass white boy fit the bill. This ain't me sayin Eminem is some great. This is me saying both them nikkas needed eachother at that PARTICULAR moment.
 

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usually dre done always had help though :yeshrug:

yella with the production on n.w.a. albums
daz w/ the chronic and doggystyle
stu-b-doo, bud'ha, mel-man w/ the dre presents aftermath compilation
mel-man and scott storch w/ the chronic 2001, mel man w/ the slim shady lp, the marshall mathers lp
various producers w/ compton

dre is a great mixer but as far as production goes, he's not the greatest for the simple fact he's always seemed to have had some help w/ production along the way

meanwhile nikkas like premier and rza was crankin' out classic beats and albums for the most part

Warren G was involved with The Chronic too.
 

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i'm not arguing the fact that he had co producers or had help with songs, i just think everytime this comes up it gets blown way out of proportion and people end up thinking Dre has never done ANYTHING on any of these classic albums.
Nah. What he does gets overstated while what everyone else did gets understated. Daz TILL THIS DAY doesn't get enough credit for what he did with the Death Row sound. shyt if u even listen to the shyt Daz touched on Death Row after Pac died and Snoop and Dre bounced. It still had vintage Death Row sound but it was terrible rappers over the production.
 
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yeah he's had help but where is Mel Man now? where is Yella now? where is Stu-B-Doo? Scott Storch NEVER made anything opn the level of Still DRE, Daz never made anything on the level of Doggystyle which he supposedly produced. even if Dre didn't make every beat on Doggystyle i think it was more of Suge's idea to give Dre sole credit for the album because he had the established name. Dre never took credit for producing all of MMLP or SSLP, just because people assumed he was going to do all of it or they assumed he did certain beats without looking at credits is their problem.

good point. aside from yella who just didn't have the passion for music anymore not long after n.w.a. broke up and only producin' a handful of songs on ruthless post n.w.a.'s breakup; i don't know where all them other nikkas at now

but yella is in the rock n roll hall of fame now for his work/bein' part of n.w.a..


Warren G was involved with The Chronic too.

yup
 
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