Daz Dillinger: Tupac and Dr. Dre' got into it!

[JustCKing]

People get beatmaking and producing twisted. Just because someone makes beats doesn't make them a producer. Some kid that taps on a laptop with Fruityloops (whether it's incredible or garbage) shops his beat to a label. Some guy at the label is working with Jay Z and the guy has the beat with him. He thinks Jay Z would sound perfect over it, but it still needs some tweaking. So said guy takes the beat and adds elements to it that he knows Jay Z likes. He also mutes certain elements from the original beat, while making other elements more pronounced. He brings in some session players to re-play the easily recognizable sample. He plays Jay Z the beat. Jay Z loves and starts rhyming. The guy thinks the hook should be stronger so he and Jay go back and forth with ideas. They also think it needs a feature. The song comes out and the credits look like this:

Produced By: Some guy working with Jay Z
Co-Produced By: Some kid that taps on a laptop and some session players



Why is "some guy working with Jay Z" given production credit and "some kid that taps on a laptop" given co-producer credit? Because the kid that taps ton a laptop wasn't involved in the creation of the song. He contributed a beat, but wasn't in the studio when the song was created.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Oh i'm sure they had fun and aren't at all trippin'. but yeah. what is an album cut on an album that sold a gazillion records worth?

Yeah they dont seem like they are going to cry over spilled milk but it you would think it would be 100k or more worth of royalties. The album still sells.

 

[Boonapalist]

How come no one mentions Daz getting help from Dre, Soopafly and Quik on Dogg Food? Or Quik having G-one and Robert Bacon.

I feel Dre's overrated, but some of y'all go above and beyond to discredit his work pre Aftermath.

 

[Wacky D]

smart money says Deck woulda bodied EVERYBODY. For such a legendary track I don't really have any verse in any of the artists all time canon.

its only legendary because of all the people who were on it together in their primes.

cool song but if it was the same exact quality but with lower tier names, nobody would care.

All of a sudden we take Daz's word as gospel now?

this is my first time hearing this entire story in specifics. but for the most part, this was already known.

its clearly a daz beat.

and we been knew pac was dissin dre over him taking credit for other peoples' beats.

people say it , then when they're back in Dre's good graces they go back on it & say he did "so much" so which is it? one day he doesn't do shyt then the next he takes a skeleton beat or an idea and completely reforms it

if all these people are saying the same thing about dre, then it must be true.

theres no way around it.

i think you trolling...if not is it the same dr dre from wcwc, nwa, deathrow..the same nikka that turns everything he touches to sold? nah nah breh i think you trolling..good work tho

aftermath was around for years doing nothing until Eminem came out.

 

[Bless't]

Beats by Dre....


On a more serious note, Daz's production on those early Deathrow albums....

Did some dirt in cali growing up and rolling around listening to Daz.

 

[bigrodthe1]

this makes me think back to when suge was interviewed by rolling stone and he was sayin' daz was the one doin' the beats for doggystyle

Snoop HIMSELF shot that down years ago

 

[Da King]

Listen to Dre's production the last 5-6 years, been straight :flabbynfif:


that Compton album still got me

 

[Zero]

Them nikkas explained that they ran out of juice by the time they got to their own shyt. shyt Mel Man said that he got accustomed to making having an unlimited budget dealing with Dre's shyt and when it come to his own shyt he wasn't used to the restrictions. Also. Daz has PLENTY classic beats outside of Doggystyle. So u straight buggin for that statement.

Dre gettin nikkas strung out on heroin then expect them to go back to weed

 

[Zero]

Listen to Dre's production the last 5-6 years, been straight :flabbynfif:


that Compton album still got me

First album in 16 years and dude didn't even sound like himself :timmyimout:

 

[Da King]

First album in 16 years and dude didn't even sound like himself :timmyimout:

No Daz no mel-man

best beat on the album was DJ Premier track

 

[Ronnie Lott]

All of a sudden we take Daz's word as gospel now?

Man stop

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

People get beatmaking and producing twisted. Just because someone makes beats doesn't make them a producer. Some kid that taps on a laptop with Fruityloops (whether it's incredible or garbage) shops his beat to a label. Some guy at the label is working with Jay Z and the guy has the beat with him. He thinks Jay Z would sound perfect over it, but it still needs some tweaking. So said guy takes the beat and adds elements to it that he knows Jay Z likes. He also mutes certain elements from the original beat, while making other elements more pronounced. He brings in some session players to re-play the easily recognizable sample. He plays Jay Z the beat. Jay Z loves and starts rhyming. The guy thinks the hook should be stronger so he and Jay go back and forth with ideas. They also think it needs a feature. The song comes out and the credits look like this:

Produced By: Some guy working with Jay Z
Co-Produced By: Some kid that taps on a laptop and some session players



Why is "some guy working with Jay Z" given production credit and "some kid that taps on a laptop" given co-producer credit? Because the kid that taps ton a laptop wasn't involved in the creation of the song. He contributed a beat, but wasn't in the studio when the song was created.

Notice how he downplays the person who actually made the beat? "Some kid that taps on a laptop with Fruityloops".

Hip Hop fans don't let the music industry fool you into thinking that the man/woman producing the beat isn't important when the beat is the most important part of the song. Don't let them tell you producing a beat isn't producing just because you didn't produce the entire song, beat and vocal. I never hear anyone with this argument go after the person singing or rapping by calling them just a singer/rapper. I have never heard anyone say "the kid who just moves their vocal cords".

It is deceptive business to take someone's beat, hire session players per work for hire (who wont get royalties) then take production credit and reap lifetime royalties from a song. However, it isn't absolutely necessary nor does having that power make you more important than the person who made the music. Anyone can critique someone else's work and add their vision to it. Again, that doesn't mean that they are more important to the process. So miss me with this beat maker vs. producer narrative.

 

[nieman]

smart money says Deck woulda bodied EVERYBODY. For such a legendary track I don't really have any verse in any of the artists all time canon.

This is the Deck verse

 

[Ol’Otis]

What do you remember about Doggystyle's production?
[It] was was pretty much luck. Everybody thought [Dr. Dre] would be doing the records, but Daz pretty much did the whole album. And at the end of the day, once Daz finished it, everybody wanted Andre to get the credit. Next thing I know Daz is having a meeting with Andre and them and came back and said, "It's okay, give me a few bucks and I'll sign anything over that says produced by Andre instead of me."

"Ain't No Fun"… one of the homies from The Swans [ed note: the Mad Swan Bloods, or MSB, are a Los Angeles subset of The Bloods street gang] named Pooh, all them dudes already had a record done. And they came and played it for us in the studio. They played us the demo. Everybody looked at it like it was alright. And then after they left, shyt, everybody was chopping that same beat.


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[Ol’Otis]

this is common knowledge


Dre is more of a composer than producer