Daz Dillinger: Tupac and Dr. Dre' got into it!

[Ol’Otis]

also the beats on doggystyle
sounds like some leftover chronic beats
dope but at the same time

 

[Jacaveli The Don]

also the beats on doggystyle
sounds like some leftover chronic beats
dope but at the same time

Nah my dude, I (and a LOT of other people) like the beats on Doggystyle more than The Chronic

 

[DPG]

Daz beats with Mike Dean mixing >>>

If I remember correctly, Mike Dean said that Daz only gave him drums and vocals to work with on this album; he was creating and playing the synths and keys, etc.

 

[kariba]

Ah a thread about Dre using other dudes beats? This must be a Coli first.

 

[Nomad1]

smart money says Deck woulda bodied EVERYBODY. For such a legendary track I don't really have any verse in any of the artists all time canon.

INS had a trash verse

 

[spliz]

Snoop HIMSELF shot that down years ago

Snoop is also a liar and said that Daz deserved ZERO production credit cause Dre would clean the beats up.

 

[I love Latina women]

Snoop HIMSELF shot that down years ago

of course, dre is the one who gave him his start in the game

 

[JustCKing]

Notice how he downplays the person who actually made the beat? "Some kid that taps on a laptop with Fruityloops".

Hip Hop fans don't let the music industry fool you into thinking that the man/woman producing the beat isn't important when the beat is the most important part of the song. Don't let them tell you producing a beat isn't producing just because you didn't produce the entire song, beat and vocal. I never hear anyone with this argument go after the person singing or rapping by calling them just a singer/rapper. I have never heard anyone say "the kid who just moves their vocal cords".

It is deceptive business to take someone's beat, hire session players per work for hire (who wont get royalties) then take production credit and reap lifetime royalties from a song. However, it isn't absolutely necessary nor does having that power make you more important than the person who made the music. Anyone can critique someone else's work and add their vision to it. Again, that doesn't mean that they are more important to the process. So miss me with this beat maker vs. producer narrative.

It isn't downplaying anything. Making a beat is basically programming. You have greats like Timbaland who can simply make a beat using pencils and plastic cups. That's how simple it is. Yes, if it's dope, it's impressive. But tell me, what's more impressive: him producing a song like "Big Pimpin'" or him banging out a beat using pencils and plastic cups that hasn't even been heard. "Big Pimpin" was initially a Timbaland & Magoo record, but he heard Jay mumble a flow over it and instantly told him that he was giving "Big Pimpin" to him because he sounded better on it.

You don't hear the argument for a singer or rapper because it's their voice. Even still, there's a such thing as vocal production.

There's plenty of people who can create beats that are incredible, but they can't get placements, because those beats don't necessarily work well with vocals on them.

It's not a deceptive business. Session players aren't always co-producing or producing songs. They only get production credit when they give input.

Anybody cannot critique someone else's work and add their vision to it. That's the point and you completely missed it. Making a beat doesn't always =/= creating a song which is what music production is. Hip Hop doesn't change that. It's why so many producers/beatmakers don't get their just due because they place focus on making beats as opposed to creating a song.

 

[Mac Casper]

Programming drums doesn't make you a producer . . . like not even close

It's 2016 (aka "it's the current year") and people still don't know the difference between a beatmaker and a producer

 

[dubsmith_nz]

Yall need to stop with this myth that Dre is a credit thief. The ONLY time in his career other producers or musicians went uncredited is when he was fukking with Suge and as you mentioned above this was Suges idea to build Dres rep.

All of his work with NWA had Yella listed as a Co producer. All of his work post Death Row has had all musicians and Co producers listed. shyt 2001 clearly says "Produced by Dr Dre and Mel Man".

People get up in arms and call him a thief but he's been giving appropriate credit his whole career.

But yall bugging if you really think Daz, Yella, Storch, Mel Man etc are better than Dre. "Revenge, Retaliation and Get Back" was boring as fukk in terms of production. Even then Daz had Soopafly helping with production, and then Mike Dean. Yella and Mel Man haven't done shyt since and it's clear from Storches work with Dre, Timbaland and The Roots hes better on the keys than when producing a whole track.

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

It isn't downplaying anything. Making a beat is basically programming. You have greats like Timbaland who can simply make a beat using pencils and plastic cups. That's how simple it is. Yes, if it's dope, it's impressive. But tell me, what's more impressive: him producing a song like "Big Pimpin'" or him banging out a beat using pencils and plastic cups that hasn't even been heard. "Big Pimpin" was initially a Timbaland & Magoo record, but he heard Jay mumble a flow over it and instantly told him that he was giving "Big Pimpin" to him because he sounded better on it.

You don't hear the argument for a singer or rapper because it's their voice. Even still, there's a such thing as vocal production.

There's plenty of people who can create beats that are incredible, but they can't get placements, because those beats don't necessarily work well with vocals on them.

It's not a deceptive business. Session players aren't always co-producing or producing songs. They only get production credit when they give input.

Anybody cannot critique someone else's work and add their vision to it. That's the point and you completely missed it. Making a beat doesn't always =/= creating a song which is what music production is. Hip Hop doesn't change that. It's why so many producers/beatmakers don't get their just due because they place focus on making beats as opposed to creating a song.

You're not saying anything here that moves me to continue this debate. I feel I have proven my point with my initial comment.

 

[spliz]

Programming drums doesn't make you a producer . . . like not even close

It's 2016 (aka "it's the current year") and people still don't know the difference between a beatmaker and a producer

No. People DEF do. The producer and beat maker in hip hop is synonymous cause of how production in hip hop started. Hip hop doesn't have the same standards of other genre's I don't know why people don't understand that. Sampling records, turntables, and beat machines were used cause people couldn't afford to get session players and ochestras and bands together to make music. shyt was a poor man's game and genre. nikkas tryna diminish the beat maker in hip hop is like tryna diminish the fukkin DJ in hip hop. Which is 2 things Dre HIMSELF started off doing in hip hop which lead to his production. At one point the DJ WAS the fukkin producer. Dre does shyt that plenty of engineers in hip hop do. Clean the track up. Add little bells n whistles. Etc etc. I will say Dre is dope as fukk at making arrangements and his crisp sound is second to none.

 

[Mac Casper]

No. People DEF do. The producer and beat maker in hip hop is synonymous cause of how production in hip hop started. Hip hop doesn't have the same standards of other genre's I don't know why people don't understand that. Sampling records, turntables, and beat machines were used cause people couldn't afford to get session players and ochestras and bands together to make music. shyt was a poor man's game and genre. nikkas tryna diminish the beat maker in hip hop is like tryna diminish the fukkin DJ in hip hop. Which is 2 things Dre HIMSELF started off doing in hip hop which lead to his production. At one point the DJ WAS the fukkin producer. Dre does shyt that plenty of engineers in hip hop do. Clean the track up. Add little bells n whistles. Etc etc. I will say Dre is dope as fukk at making arrangements and his crisp sound is second to none.

Synonymous because of the general ignorance that comes along with the average member of the hip-hop audience and the estranged nature of the creative contributors of hip-hop from the general music community. The fact that it is a "poor man's genre" doesn't redefine the music industry definition of a music producer

Anyone who's been involved in any studio work of recent years will tell you that the line between an a mix engineer* and producer is blurred

(*not to be confused with the role of recording engineer, although they sometimes and often do both)

A producer credit is not defined as simply making a beat . . that's hip-hop poppycock, not a record producer

You program drums you get credit for programming drums . . that's it. That's work for hire, barely a creative credential. An engineer can, will and does do this same role

 

[spliz]

Synonymous because of the general ignorance that comes along with the average member of the hip-hop audience and the estranged nature of the creative contributors of hip-hop from the general music community. The fact that it is a "poor man's genre" doesn't redefine the music industry definition of a music producer

Anyone who's been involved in any studio work of recent years will tell you that the line between an a mix engineer* and producer is blurred

(*not to be confused with the role of recording engineer, although they sometimes and often do both)

A producer credit is not defined as simply making a beat . . that's hip-hop poppycock, not a record producer

You program drums you get credit for programming drums . . that's it. That's work for hire, barely a creative credential. An engineer can, will and does do this same role

Bro I don't know who u think u talkin to but I'm WELL versed in the hip hop and industry recording process and I'm a producer,artist and engineer myself. I own a studio. like I said before. Dre is more of an engineer than a creator. Period. He wasn't always like that either. What I'm saying is people need to fukkin stop downplaying the god damn beatmaker in hip hop. Premier is a beatmaker. DJ Quik is a beatmaker. Daz. Just Blaze. Pete Rock. Rza. Havoc. Timbo. Etc etc. And the list goes on. If Dre deserves the credit he gets. So does Diddy.

 

[GreenGrass]

so is dr. dre like dj khaled?