Daz Dillinger: Tupac and Dr. Dre' got into it!

[JustCKing]

drum programmin'. workin' the mpc machine. pickin' the sample(s) out that either they sampled or flipped

Sill, those guys still contributed to the beat.

 

[JustCKing]

They play the music theyre told to play.

Yes, but that isn't the point I'm making. If making beats is producing and those elements are clearly a part of it, where's their co-production credits?

 

[I love Latina women]

Sill, those guys still contributed to the beat.

ok

my whole point is everyone should get credit for what they do. some of those guys are actual musicians who play instruments and are gettin' told to play back what someone like daz is tellin' them to playback by the samples he's picked to either flip or interpolate

we was talkin' bout daz initially and how he didn't receive credit for some of the work he did. that's all

 

[spliz]

And again, this works both ways. People who make beats aren't always in the studio with the artists they make beats for. They send beats to them and the artist and the engineer ends up doing work that producers are supposed to at least assist with. Yet, they still get full production credit for the song.

Something that's near fully made isn't the same as being fully made though. What we would consider minor might not be so minor, but still essential to it being/feeling complete. It's something that's really difficult to determine without hearing what it sounded like before versus what it sounded it like after.

And no, I don't think a person should get credit if they didn't alter the song in any way.

Usually the engineer. Gets credit. As an engineer. Cause lemme tell u somethin. I'm a producer, an artist, and an engineer. I own a studio. And record people all the time. Giving tips and cleaning up a damn song doesn't deserve full production credit. I do that shyt every session. U talkin to a nikka who deals with this shyt on a daily basis bruh. Like I said before. Dre is hard to even get in the studio to work. And if what Daz said is true. That's wrong bruh. I give a nikka a beat to hold. Song already made. And he gives my song to someone else talkin bout he made the beat. Knowing I made it. Aint NO production in that. That's stealing.

 

[JustCKing]

ok

my whole point is everyone should get credit for what they do

we was talkin' bout daz initially and how he didn't receive credit for some of the work he did. that's all

Well, if all he did was program drums, he got his credits. If we're arguing because he programmed drums, he should've gotten production credit, well, he's guilty of what he's accused Dre of.

 

[JustCKing]

Usually the engineer. Gets credit. As an engineer. Cause lemme tell u somethin. I'm a producer, an artist, and an engineer. I own a studio. And record people all the time. Giving tips and cleaning up a damn song doesn't deserve full production credit. I do that shyt every session. U talkin to a nikka who deals with this shyt on a daily basis bruh. Like I said before. Dre is hard to even get in the studio to work. And if what Daz said is true. That's wrong bruh. I give a nikka a beat to hold. Song already made. And he gives my song to someone else talkin bout he made the beat. Knowing I made it. Aint NO production in that. That's stealing.

Giving someone a beat isn't the same as giving them a song. Now if you give him a completed song (beat and vocals) and when you hear it again, it's the same EXACT thing, then yeah that person is a thief if they gave themselves credit.

 

[I love Latina women]

Well, if all he did was program drums, he got his credits. If we're arguing because he programmed drums, he should've gotten production credit, well, he's guilty of what he's accused Dre of.

but that's not always the case. so yeah, it depends but if daz produced a beat, he deserves full credit. if all dre did was mix the damn beat, then why does he get full credit?

 

[spliz]

Giving someone a beat isn't the same as giving them a song. Now if you give him a completed song (beat and vocals) and when you hear it again, it's the same EXACT thing, then yeah that person is a thief if they gave themselves credit.

Son if u someone recording and tracking the vocals n shyt. That's a mixing engineer. If the beat was done. The rhymes are done. Everything is done. The damn engineer that records and cleans shyt up doesn't deserve production credit. U nikkas tryna blur the lines n shyt and that's how people get fukked over when tryna get paid. The people that do that shyt already get paid for their services. U think Young Guru was running around tryna get full production credit from Just Blaze. Bink and Kanye? shyt Diddy does basically the same shyt as Dre and as much as a slime ball he is he doesn't even do that shyt. His production team is The Hitmen. U don't think he comes behind them and cleans shyt up? Or adds little bells and whistles or adds little tweaks or ideas?

 

[JustCKing]

but that's not always the case. so yeah, it depends but if daz produced a beat, he deserves full credit. if all dre did was mix the damn beat, then why does he get full credit?

And again, simply making a beat doesn't always mean that person receives full production credits. There's instances where the person who made the beat got hit with the "all instruments by (insert name of the person who did the beat)" and someone else was credited as a producer. If you make a beat, and someone else alters it, they are going to credit themselves with "additional production by (insert their name)".

If all he did was mix, then he got credit for mixing. What I'm not following is how if Dre is such a thief, why aren't all his mixing credits on Dogg Food full production credits?

 

[JustCKing]

Son if u someone recording and tracking the vocals n shyt. That's a mixing engineer. If the beat was done. The rhymes are done. Everything is done. The damn engineer that records and cleans shyt up doesn't deserve production credit. U nikkas tryna blur the lines n shyt and that's how people get fukked over when tryna get paid. The people that do that shyt already get paid for their services. U think Young Guru was running around tryna get full production credit from Just Blaze. Bink and Kanye? shyt Diddy does basically the same shyt as Dre and as much as a slime ball he is he doesn't even do that shyt. His production team is The Hitmen. U don't think he comes behind them and cleans shyt up? Or adds little bells and whistles or adds little tweaks or ideas?

That's not what I'm getting at. I'm talking about when producers are actually in the studio with an artist vs. someone sending beats. The producer that's actually in the studio guiding the process deserves credit over the guy that only contributed a beat. I'm arguing that creating a song with an artist and musicians (if they are brought into the process) is production, not someone simply making a beat. And yes, sometimes the line between an engineer and record producer is blurred depending on what they actually did to the record, but no an engineer isn't taking production credits for recording and cleaning up songs. That's not even what I was referring to. I'm talking about when you're actually telling an artist that this line would sound better, scrap that line etc. Or they are adding or removing elements of the beat.

Puff doesn't do the same as Dre. The key difference is that Puff doesn't manually do anything. As a producer, Puff's more a visionary. He'll bring his crew a sample and tells them how he wants it to sound and they collaborate.

 

[spliz]

And as of now. There's no "beatmaker" production credit. So if u nikkas tryna say the person who made the fukkin beat aint the producer. That wtf is he then? Hip hop is not the same as other genre's. Engineer programmer. All that shyt has actual credits. If that's all they did. Where's the "beatmaker" credit?

 

[JustCKing]

And as of now. There's no "beatmaker" production credit. So if u nikkas tryna say the person who made the fukkin beat aint the producer. That wtf is he then? Hip hop is not the same as other genre's. Engineer programmer. All that shyt has actual credits. If that's all they did. Where's the "beatmaker" credit?

Yes, there is. I referenced it above. There's been people who made beats who got an "all instruments by" credit. Some of them get co-production credit. That's only instances where someone else altered or was actually there in the studio with the artist guiding the product. Now, in instances where they made the beat and there no other additional people touching what they made, they get sole credits with a break down of who contributed additional instrumentation. Even then, sometimes session players get co-producer or additional producer credits.

 

[spliz]

Yes, there is. I referenced it above. There's been people who made beats who got an "all instruments by" credit. Some of them get co-production credit. That's only instances where someone else altered or was actually there in the studio with the artist guiding the product. Now, in instances where they made the beat and there no other additional people touching what they made, they get sole credits with a break down of who contributed additional instrumentation. Even then, sometimes session players get co-producer or additional producer credits.

I'm not talkin bout people who play out what u tell them tho. Session musicians n shyt. There's always gonna be that cause most people can't play every instrument. But like I said. We talkin bout hip hop. Where alotta beats are made by either one person and/or a production team like The Neptune's or some shyt. Hip hop relies heavily on samples n shyt like that. Especially back then. Most of the legendary hip hop producers didn't need all that other shyt. They had they turntables. Keys. Beat machine and went to work. And they were they ones COMING UP with the beat. Meaning the beat went from their brains to their hands. Hip hop is a more hands on genre than almost any other genre. I mean then u got producers like Pharrell, Swizz, Timbo or how Kanye used to be where they will give u a beat THEY made. And have a hook prepared for u and tell u what they think the song should be about. THATS a producer to me. Dre not being around and hard to reach. Another nikka comes up with a beat. The rapper makes the song and concept. Dre pops up and says "oh this shyt sound hard. Lemme clean it up a lil bit. " he makes it hit a lil harder with his presets n shyt and next thing u know it's HIS beat and he produced the song. Man fukk outta here. Lol. nikka wasn't gettin co credit. Dre was taking ALL the credit. Lol. The examples u giving are perfectly fine but they don't belong in this thread cause that ain't what Dre is accused of.

 

[I love Latina women]

And again, simply making a beat doesn't always mean that person receives full production credits. There's instances where the person who made the beat got hit with the "all instruments by (insert name of the person who did the beat)" and someone else was credited as a producer. If you make a beat, and someone else alters it, they are going to credit themselves with "additional production by (insert their name)".

If all he did was mix, then he got credit for mixing. What I'm not following is how if Dre is such a thief, why aren't all his mixing credits on Dogg Food full production credits?

dre got credit for producin' doggystyle yet daz is all over that album with production

daz mentions some of what he produced on the chronic and doggystyle here at the 2:33 mark



this the 1st record he produced!


he helped out on production for this


another 1 he helped out on production




daz beats





daz said he put the cover together too, in that same interview with b real up above

 

[JustCKing]

I'm not talkin bout people who play out what u tell them tho. Session musicians n shyt. There's always gonna be that cause most people can't play every instrument. But like I said. We talkin bout hip hop. Where alotta beats are made by either one person and/or a production team like The Neptune's or some shyt. Hip hop relies heavily on samples n shyt like that. Especially back then. Most of the legendary hip hop producers didn't need all that other shyt. They had they turntables. Keys. Beat machine and went to work. And they were they ones COMING UP with the beat. Meaning the beat went from their brains to their hands. Hip hop is a more hands on genre than almost any other genre. I mean then u got producers like Pharrell, Swizz, Timbo or how Kanye used to be where they will give u a beat THEY made. And have a hook prepared for u and tell u what they think the song should be about. THATS a producer to me. Dre not being around and hard to reach. Another nikka comes up with a beat. The rapper makes the song and concept. Dre pops up and says "oh this shyt sound hard. Lemme clean it up a lil bit. " he makes it hit a lil harder with his presets n shyt and next thing u know it's HIS beat and he produced the song. Man fukk outta here. Lol

Yeah, but you're going off speculation.This is Cool & Dre speaking of what Dre actually does. They way they describe it speaks of how the line between mixer and producer becomes blurred:

[We made the beat] in Cool's mother’s garage. Funny story, after the record blew we did a meeting with Jimmy Iovine and he asked us about "Hate It or Love It" like, "Do you have the original beat before Dr. Dre touched it?" We were like, "Yeah, we got it on the laptop." He was like, "I always wanna hear what stuff sounds like before Dre puts the magic to it." So we pressed play and I'll never forget his face....he was like, 'Yo it's the same damn beat. Send me the original version.’ We were like, "This is the original version!"

Dre put the most amazing mix on it, his mixes are so fukking phenomenal. There was a difference sonically, but as for the record itself the music was the same. If I'm not mistaken, at the end of the hook he added a string going into the verse. Dre brought it to life. [As a mixer is] what I think is his greatest quality. His sound placement and how his shyt comes out sonically that's why they're his headphones. His ear for instrument placement is amazing. A Dr. Dre mix is a co-production in our mind because he just kinda brings shyt out that was not there, that's what he did.

Mike Lynn: Dr. Dre completely reproduced that track. He had it replayed. He never took credit for it, he still let them get producer credit, that’s how he is. It’s funny to me when people say, "Dre took my beat" and this and that. It’s like, come on man all that shyt is bullshyt. I seen so many producers eating out there because their material sounded professional, but in the beginning of their career their music wasn’t nowhere near professional. Dre made it sound professional.

Every record on that album, Dr. Dre touched. Everything. "Hate It Or Love It" sounded like a sample, Dre made it sound like a record. Dre cleaned it up [on the] musical side. He had the baseline played so it actually sounded professional. He made those records. If they play you their version and his version, they’re night and day. He had to [get co-producer credit], he did all the work! [Laughs.]