Deal Reached to Reopen Government (For Three Weeks)

[saturn7]

Obama didn't shutdown the govt. The republican controlled congress shutdown the govt trying to defund Obamacare.

Meme overplays comparison between 2013 and 2018 shutdowns

Obama 2013 and Trump 2018. Are the shutdowns the same? Not exactly

By Jon Greenberg on Wednesday, January 2nd, 2019 at 3:18 p.m.


With no quick end to the recent federal government shutdown in sight, a Facebook post harking back to a 2013 shutdown under President Barack Obama has been shared over 71,000 times.

The Dec. 22 post from Trump-backer Kristy Greczkowski said, "Oct 2013, Obama shut down the government for 16 days to force Obamacare. A friendly reminder America. Secure our borders."

The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

We thought we’d compare the two fiscal impasses.

A quick recap
In September 2013, two issues were in play, the Affordable Care Act and raising the debt ceiling –– the legal amount the government is allowed to borrow.

The Affordable Care Act, passed in 2010, was due to begin in earnest in 2014. The individual mandate requiring people to have insurance would come into force. Coverage would start for Americans who signed up through government insurance marketplaces (although the meltdown of the federal Healthcare.gov website was about to throw that step into chaos).

Republicans, primarily in the House, aimed to defund Obamacare. None of the 12 regular appropriation bills to pay for government operations had been passed. A group of 80 House Republicans signed a letter to House Speaker John Boehnersaying this was the time to eliminate any dollars that would allow Obamacare to move forward.

Before the shutdown, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., warned that a shutdown would be a bad idea and in any event wouldn’t block most of Obamacare from moving forward.

We rated that claim Mostly True. Most key parts of the law – the insurance marketplace, the premium subsidies, and the taxes and regulations – would continue unimpeded.

But if Obamacare was one rallying cry, the debt ceiling turned out to be just as important. The government was closing in on the legal limit of $16.699 trillion in debt. Without the flexibility to borrow more, Washington faced the prospect of not being able to pay back Treasury notes as they came due. Republicans wanted broader spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt limit.

At the time, Republicans controlled the House, and Democrats held the Senate. Obama had said he would veto any bill that defunded Obamacare. His veto threat and the Democratic-controlled Senate doomed any measure that undermined the fledgling health care program.

The House passed several bills that eliminated Obamacare funding, and the Senate kept stripping out those provisions.

The government shutdown began on Oct. 1. On Oct. 15, the rating agency Fitch said the U.S. government’s credit worthiness would be reviewed. A downgrade would have dramatically increased borrowing costs.

On Oct. 16, Senate Democrats and Republicans came to terms, agreeing to raise the debt ceiling and keep government open through mid December. Obamacare funding was untouched.

The current impasse
The latest shutdown stems from President Trump’s desire for $5 billion to build a wall along the border with Mexico. The Republican-controlled Senate declined to make that part of its funding plan because it couldn't get the needed 60 votes to eventually pass the spending plan. The House passed a measure with money for the wall.

The wall appears to be the only significant element that separates the sides.

Our ruling
A Facebook post said that Obama shut down the government in 2013 to force Obamacare. There are a couple of key differences between then and today.

First, leading Republicans, including Ryan, noted that Obamacare largely would move forward even if some elements were defunded. In that sense, Obama was not fighting to "force" Obamacare, because he didn’t need to.

Second, in 2013, two issues, Obamacare and the debt ceiling, were on the table. In 2018, funding for the wall stands alone. In 2013, a compromise on the debt ceiling cleared the way to reopen the government.

There is also a legal difference. In 2013, Obamacare was already law. Funding for the wall is not.

The situation in 2013 was more complicated than today. Obama, like Trump, aimed to protect a favored policy. But he also wanted to raise the debt limit, an issue of at least equal importance. We rate this claim Half True.

These nikkas just be making shyt up bruh.



Trying to blame these shutdowns on Obama and Pelosi. This shyt is always the Republicans fault.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

all hell was about to break loose.

 

[Reece]

You’re dumb. This is completely untrue.

Like I said. Stop lying.

Obama Shutdown Good
Trump Shutdown Bad

Here’s What Happened the Last Time the Government Shut Down

It started over Obamacare. Congress failed to come to an agreement on a budget after Republican lawmakers began pushing to defund Obamacare. Not surprisingly, Senate Democrats and the Obama administration rejected the proposals and the resulting impasse led to the partial shutdown that began in early October 2013.

 

[Easy-E]

all hell was about to break loose.

They were getting refund regardless. He's playing games.

It hasn't been 12 hours and people celebrating.

I can't find the tweet. but, this is basically how torture works...give the subject a lil rest til they think it's over.

#trumpcaved is already trending like the gov't ain't only open for 2 weeks.

 

[FaTaL]

They were getting refund regardless. He's playing games.

It hasn't been 12 hours and people celebrating.

I can't find the tweet. but, this is basically how torture works...give the subject a lil rest til they think it's over.

#trumpcaved is already trending like the gov't ain't only open for 2 weeks.

its open 3 weeks then chaos again

these federal workers better save

 

[Freedman]

Just checked wheres my refund and I'm Getting cashed out on Monday

 

[Reece]

Obama didn't shutdown the govt. The republican controlled congress shutdown the govt trying to defund Obamacare.

Meme overplays comparison between 2013 and 2018 shutdowns

Obama 2013 and Trump 2018. Are the shutdowns the same? Not exactly

By Jon Greenberg on Wednesday, January 2nd, 2019 at 3:18 p.m.


With no quick end to the recent federal government shutdown in sight, a Facebook post harking back to a 2013 shutdown under President Barack Obama has been shared over 71,000 times.

The Dec. 22 post from Trump-backer Kristy Greczkowski said, "Oct 2013, Obama shut down the government for 16 days to force Obamacare. A friendly reminder America. Secure our borders."

The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

We thought we’d compare the two fiscal impasses.

A quick recap
In September 2013, two issues were in play, the Affordable Care Act and raising the debt ceiling –– the legal amount the government is allowed to borrow.

The Affordable Care Act, passed in 2010, was due to begin in earnest in 2014. The individual mandate requiring people to have insurance would come into force. Coverage would start for Americans who signed up through government insurance marketplaces (although the meltdown of the federal Healthcare.gov website was about to throw that step into chaos).

Republicans, primarily in the House, aimed to defund Obamacare. None of the 12 regular appropriation bills to pay for government operations had been passed. A group of 80 House Republicans signed a letter to House Speaker John Boehnersaying this was the time to eliminate any dollars that would allow Obamacare to move forward.

Before the shutdown, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., warned that a shutdown would be a bad idea and in any event wouldn’t block most of Obamacare from moving forward.

We rated that claim Mostly True. Most key parts of the law – the insurance marketplace, the premium subsidies, and the taxes and regulations – would continue unimpeded.

But if Obamacare was one rallying cry, the debt ceiling turned out to be just as important. The government was closing in on the legal limit of $16.699 trillion in debt. Without the flexibility to borrow more, Washington faced the prospect of not being able to pay back Treasury notes as they came due. Republicans wanted broader spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt limit.

At the time, Republicans controlled the House, and Democrats held the Senate. Obama had said he would veto any bill that defunded Obamacare. His veto threat and the Democratic-controlled Senate doomed any measure that undermined the fledgling health care program.

The House passed several bills that eliminated Obamacare funding, and the Senate kept stripping out those provisions.

The government shutdown began on Oct. 1. On Oct. 15, the rating agency Fitch said the U.S. government’s credit worthiness would be reviewed. A downgrade would have dramatically increased borrowing costs.

On Oct. 16, Senate Democrats and Republicans came to terms, agreeing to raise the debt ceiling and keep government open through mid December. Obamacare funding was untouched.

The current impasse
The latest shutdown stems from President Trump’s desire for $5 billion to build a wall along the border with Mexico. The Republican-controlled Senate declined to make that part of its funding plan because it couldn't get the needed 60 votes to eventually pass the spending plan. The House passed a measure with money for the wall.

The wall appears to be the only significant element that separates the sides.

Our ruling
A Facebook post said that Obama shut down the government in 2013 to force Obamacare. There are a couple of key differences between then and today.

First, leading Republicans, including Ryan, noted that Obamacare largely would move forward even if some elements were defunded. In that sense, Obama was not fighting to "force" Obamacare, because he didn’t need to.

Second, in 2013, two issues, Obamacare and the debt ceiling, were on the table. In 2018, funding for the wall stands alone. In 2013, a compromise on the debt ceiling cleared the way to reopen the government.

There is also a legal difference. In 2013, Obamacare was already law. Funding for the wall is not.

The situation in 2013 was more complicated than today. Obama, like Trump, aimed to protect a favored policy. But he also wanted to raise the debt limit, an issue of at least equal importance. We rate this claim Half True.

Did you even read what you just posted.

NOWHERE IN THAT ENTIRE ARTICLE DOES IT SAY THE REPUBLICANS SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. NOWHERE.

The Republicans were defunding Obamacare, they had control of the House and they wouldn’t raise the debt limit out of spite. Both things the Democrats had problems with. Why would THEY shut down the government?

 

[Left.A1]

Only a moron as incompetent as Trump could find a way to not only piss off 70% of the country but also lose his White Supremacist base in the same process This clown is ova

 

[MustafaSTL]

Like I said. Stop lying.

Obama Shutdown Good
Trump Shutdown Bad

Here’s What Happened the Last Time the Government Shut Down

It started over Obamacare. Congress failed to come to an agreement on a budget after Republican lawmakers began pushing to defund Obamacare. Not surprisingly, Senate Democrats and the Obama administration rejected the proposals and the resulting impasse led to the partial shutdown that began in early October 2013.

Exactly. How did Obama shut down the government? This was a demand that the republicans created in order to fund the government. They tried to hold the federal workers hostage in order to defund the Affordable Care Act. A law that was passed by Congress and survived legal challenge with the Supreme Court. Obama did not demand anything in order to keep the government open, so how is this the same thing?

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Just checked wheres my refund and I'm Getting cashed out on Monday

So you're doing the loan? If so, you're basically giving away money

 

[Reece]

Here is the difference. The 2013 shutdown was because the Republicans decided they didn't want to raise the debt ceiling and the US got to enjoy a decrease in it's AAA rating. They made a stipulation they would only do it if they were able to defund ACA, an act that has helped millions and is now popular with the majority of people. In the end, the Republicans once again we're taking to the cleaners and agreed to raise the debt ceiling while leaving ACA alone. Obama was in the right on this issue . This was also only a 15 day shutdown and people weren't missing two paychecks

Conversely Trump led one of the longest shutdowns in history for a wall that polled before it even started as something most people did not want. This was two times as long as the one under Obama and it wasn't even for a good reason. The end result was that he is now signing a bill he initially agreed to back in December but pulled out of because Ann Coulter called him a wimp .

See the difference ? Republicans were responsible for both shutdowns. They are the only party who due to their believe in government being bad in whole have caused shutdowns with their actions .

Run back to r/the_donald for some new talking points and try again or wait for Tucker Carlson to tell you what to think tonight .

Tomato, tomato. You’re okay with people losing their checks as long as it’s for your noble cause of the week but if it’s the other party doing it they’re Satan incarnate. Stop it. fukking hypocrite You should have a problem with it every time People’s bill collectors and debt collectors don’t give a fukk that it’s the “good guys” stopping the government this time you gump ass nikka

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

They were getting refund regardless. He's playing games.

It hasn't been 12 hours and people celebrating.

I can't find the tweet. but, this is basically how torture works...give the subject a lil rest til they think it's over.

#trumpcaved is already trending like the gov't ain't only open for 2 weeks.

He was going to have to cave regardless. Polls showed Trump was to blame. He had no choice. I guarantee if the Democrats were to blame, Trump would've got his funding.

 

[Easy-E]

its open 3 weeks then chaos again

these federal workers better save

How? Ya'll gotta stop with these conservative talking points.

This is the same country a hospital stay can cost you $3,000 with insurance.

That's 3 checks for some people. And they aren't irresponsible--they prolly have a degree, no kids and don't wear Gucci.

He was going to have to cave regardless. Polls showed Trump was to blame. He had no choice. I guarantee if the Democrats were to blame, Trump would've got his funding.

I'm saying; be careful.

 

[Left.A1]

what is 7% compared to .015%, which is the price of the wall in relation to the current spending bill
The Dems were elected to get legislation passed, by any means necessary
Nothing I discussed is getting implemented because the Dems didn't suggest it and they have successfully convinced folks that predictions/what-ifs scenarios are more important than swapping substantive legislation


bubu the Federal workers



fawk outta here pretending to worry about hurting citizens who live along the border while ignoring what a shutdown does to federal citizens
Don't choose now to be talmbowt wasting tax dollars when tax dollars/resources are used to help people that are not paying taxes and are breaking laws, in Dem ran cities

This HONKEY in here mad denna bytch that his White daddy just got humiliated


Your wall failed... Your leader failed... My tax dollars won't be going to that moron sorry

 

[Dr. Acula]

Tomato, tomato. You’re okay with people losing their checks as long as it’s for your noble cause of the week but if it’s the other party doing it they’re Satan incarnate. Stop it. fukking hypocrite You should have a problem with it every time People’s bill collectors and debt collectors don’t give a fukk that it’s the “good guys” stopping the government this time you gump ass nikka

No one lost their checks because the shutdown didn't last long enough for people to be set back as long as this shutdown.

This was the best response you could come up with lol?

Come back and try again.