Debate: You can't be pro-black and religious

[Blackking]

I think the wrong question is being asked here then. It is not a matter if the religious can be pro black. The question we should ask is if we are in any position to reject the help of the sincere religious people. I have never met one but will not be ignorant enough to say there are none out there. Its is very easy for me to look at slavery, or how modern 'leaders' in our community like Sharpton and Jackson come from a religious leadership background and dismiss the spiritual altogether.

We need to be thinking about how we can use the ideas of all groups of people - all races, religions, political/socio/economic groups, different nations, basically any successful group of people. Let's think about using their ideas to improve ourselves. The path toward improvement is one of embracing the people who genuinely want to improve the community intellectually and socially. We need to reject the democrat/preacher ask for a handout and take from the community leadership we have had such as kwame kilpatrick and Sharpton. Not because of their religion, but because they have no incentive to want us to be better.

We need to identify people who actually care about the cause. We can not afford to exclude based on religion or include those among us that are solely self interested. And we need to do it smartly. I'm worried the lower class doesn't have many leadership choosing mistakes left before complete obscurity.

i think the proof is that nearly everyone who has advanced us, who was pro black, who was focused on black self Independence, etc.

was also religious.


could have easily been atheist.


so it doesn't matter... even if white media puts up religious goofballs, we don't have take the 'leaders' they give us.

 

[valet]

???????????

You said all pro Black people should e atheist. Not all pro blacks must be athiest. There is a difference. So maybe you meant must instead of should. Or maybe you believe its possible and said should.

 

[Thsnnor]

Doesn't mean god exists

there are no code works in the bible.

Doesn't mean god exists


Living through a storm on a ship full of slaves?

Oh ok.

Neither. He was a black guy who sold slaves. He became a slave because he thought he was so high and mighty on his own. Some white guys caught him without his papers (he didn't think he needed them) and they sold him. It really is a good read.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

i think the proof is that nearly everyone who has advanced us, who was pro black, who was focused on black self Independence, etc.

was also religious.


could have easily been atheist.


so it doesn't matter... even if white media puts up religious goofballs, we don't have take the 'leaders' they give us.

People are religious because they don't know any better as a result of ignorance, a lack of inquiry or education.

Those who may have done work in the past never educated themselves with the latest science or arguments in philosophy to transcend their former ignorance.

Religiosity adds nothing.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You said all pro Black people should e atheist. Not all pro blacks must be athiest. There is a difference. So maybe you meant must instead of should. Or maybe you believe its possible and said should.

why are you playing games?

I think if you want to call yourself "pro-black" you can't be religious and do so.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Neither. He was a black guy who sold slaves. He became a slave because he thought he was so high and mighty on his own. Some white guys caught him without his papers (he didn't think he needed them) and they sold him. It really is a good read.

And even if this is true (which I doubt) it doesn't mean your god exists.

 

[THELASTALKAHOLIK]

You mean asking me to get pissed at stupid things a 14 year old said 6 years ago?

You are fighting white supremacy everywhere Gupta.

 

[kevm3]

my stance on abortion has nothing to do with if there is a god or not.

You might as well ask if atheism says what my favorite salad dressing is


Eugenics has nothing to do with atheism

fukking idiot

Funny, you're quick to cite how slavemasters used the Bible to control slaves and associate that with Christianity, but your tune changes when popular atheists espoused eugenics based philosophies and utilized concepts such as social darwinism to cull the population of blacks.
You are pro black, so why don't you tell us why you support abortion when it's perpetuation was used as a tool to control the black population? How about we pull up quotes from the creator of planned parenthood, margaret sanger or statistics about which race gets the most abortions?

The Negro Project was initiated in 1939 by Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood. It was a collaborative effort between the American Birth Control League and Sanger’s Birth Control Clinical Research Bureau.1 For a eugenist, it wasn’t controversial, it was integral to the implementation of eugenics to eliminate the ‘unfit’. Eugenics is “a science that deals with the improvement (as by control of human mating) of hereditary qualities of a race or breed”.2 Negative eugenics focused on preventing the birth of those it considered inferior or unfit. This was the foundation of Sanger’s Birth Control Policy and advocated throughout her writings, speeches, and her periodicals including “Pivot of Civilization”, “Plan for Peace” and countless Birth Control Review articles.

In NYC, home of Planned Parenthood, more black babies are aborted than born alive! Abortion, no matter the race, is a tragedy. But in the black community, it is epidemic. Mainstream media, black celebrities, health care professionals and so-called black leaders continue to shill for Planned Parenthood, while our churches (who stood against injustice during the Civil Rights Movement) are mostly silent. Regardless, the truth screams loud and clear. Under the false liberty of ‘reproductive freedom’ we are killing our very future.

Yep, that's very pro-black. Supporting policies that have racist origins and have been very effective in culling the black population. But your atheist rhetoricians tell you that that's what's needed, so you go along for the ride.

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?
http://blackgenocide.org/planned.html
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[Thsnnor]

They instituted state religions where-by they were revered as deities themselves.

Abrahamic religions aren't the only ones on the block.

AND EVEN STILL, this does not support whether or not your god exists.

You might as well admit you don't even believe in your own fukking god since your only reason for believing is that you think it matters, not that it exists.

You are aware of what Neitchze said right? God is dead and we have killed him. People would strive to sti upon the newly freed throne with non believe in God and submit their own thoughts to be the center of reason.

Fully aware of what that would cause he accurately predicted with the removal of God the 20th century would be the deadliest of all.
The 20th century had more deaths than the previous 19 combined.

What you are taking about has been talked about and written about before.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Funny, you're quick to cite how slavemasters used the Bible to control slaves and associate that with Christianity, but your tune changes when popular atheists espoused eugenics based philosophies and utilized concepts such as social darwinism to cull the population of blacks.

Atheism answers a singular question: Do you believe in any god(s)?

Yes or no

Thats it.

it doesn't tell you who to vote for or what your morals are

You are pro black, so why don't you tell us why you support abortion when it's perpetuation was used as a tool to control the black population?

Atheism has nothing to do with this.

How about we pull up quotes from the creator of planned parenthood, margaret sanger or statistics about which race gets the most abortions?

What does atheism have to do with this?

Yep, that's very pro-black. Supporting policies that have racist origins and have been very effective in culling the black population. But your atheist rhetoricians tell you that that's what's needed, so you go along for the ride.

What does atheism have to do with this?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You are aware of what Neitchze said right? God is dead and we have killed him.

as a result of education of what humans learned about the universe.

People would strive to sti upon the newly freed throne with non believe in God and submit their own thoughts to be the center of reason.

which is the way to do it

Fully aware of what that would cause he accurately predicted with the removal of God the 20th century would be the deadliest of all.

This isn't true.

The 20th century had more deaths than the previous 19 combined.

It also had more people.

What you are taking about has been talked about and written about before.

What does this have to do with your god existing or not?

 

[valet]

why are you playing games?

I think if you want to call yourself "pro-black" you can't be religious and do so.

No games. Its simple. I asked you are the only pro Black people are atheist. And you said they should be. That's not the same thing as saying they MUST be. That's why I'm is it a must? Or should be in your view. There is a difference? For example, saying I should go to college vs. I must go to college. It's a difference.

 

[THELASTALKAHOLIK]

You mean asking me to get pissed at stupid things a 14 year old said 6 years ago?

Fighting white supremacy everywhere I see napoleon.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

No games. Its simple. I asked you are the only pro Black people are atheist. And you said they should be. That's not the same thing as saying they MUST be. That's why I'm is it a must? Or should be in your view. There is a difference? For example, saying I should go to college vs. I must go to college. It's a difference.

How can I demand people do be atheists?

I said FOR ME to take them seriously, one of the things on that checklist is not being religious.

 

[the cac mamba]

. . They prayed to God to be delivered from slavery they believed in Jesus.

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so you believe god put blacks in slavery just to pull them out of it

'and this is with whom yall want to place ya faith'