Debate: You can't be pro-black and religious

Can you be pro-black and religious?

  • No

    Votes: 26 27.7%
  • Yes

    Votes: 63 67.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 5 5.3%

  • Total voters
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blackslash

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Do you need to believe in superstition and unsubstantiated claims to do so?

Yes, especially if you aim to be mentally equipped to avoid being taken advantage of if you're gullibe


More bullshyt inflammatory nonsense
But the idea of human rights and human worth outside what state dictates is an illusory concept in the same way u accuse religion of being yet the illusory concept of human rights and worth outside of what state dictates and the idea that tthe laws of the land violated that intrinsic right were major vehicles for the fight against racism

Now now ur concluding those who believed in such illusory concepts such as human right and human worth outside of what state dictates, are now not pro black?

Do u not realize the implications of ur idiotic statements

u dikk sucking drake stanning indian :stylin:
 

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What do you mean by "greater power?"

Its a flawed concept ENTIRELY and to even invest in such a notion is the result of a misunderstanding of both the question itself and a lack of awareness as to why the notion is flawed.

Why do you care so much about religion bruh?

How do peoples' religious beliefs affect you?
 

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But the idea of human rights and human worth outside what state dictates is an illusory concept in the same way u accuse religion of being yet the illusory concept of human rights
religion includes concepts that are are factually untrue.

Period.

Above and beyond moral pronouncements

and worth outside of what state dictates and the idea that tthe laws of the land violated that intrinsic right were major vehicles for the fight against racism
blah blah blah

Get over it. People make their own rules. But that doesn't mean you get to make up untrue things.

Now now ur concluding those who believed in such illusory concepts such as human right and human worth outside of what state dictates, are now not pro black?
Not when you co-opt those beliefs with untrue statements and unproven claims.

Do u not realize the implications of ur idiotic statements

u dikk sucking drake stanning indian :stylin:

Get more creative
 

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Why did you click this thread and why can we not have this convo?

I think you fail to realize that people will have religious beliefs no matter what YOU think. I believe that you make these kinds of threads to attempt to shame, discredit and change peoples minds on God/religion. And news flash: you will forever be unsuccessful :pachaha:
 

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religion includes concepts that are are factually untrue.

Period.

Above and beyond moral pronouncements

blah blah blah

Get over it. People make their own rules. But that doesn't mean you get to make up untrue things.

Not when you co-opt those beliefs with untrue statements and unproven claims.



Get more creative
But the concept of human worth and rights outside of what state dictates is FACTUALLY untrue

And is also according to your worldview a mere made up untrue idea/thing

And those concepts are also unproven

So again are u now concluding that the people who believed in the illusory, untrue, made up concepts of human rights and worth outside of what state dictates, that fought against racism are now exempt from being pro black??

Stop dodging the question and stick to the original premise of ur thread u indian curry smelling coward :blessed:
 

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It is. Religion isn't something you get to pick and choose when you want to submit to it. If you don't like that tenet, don't submit to it. Its all or nothing. I don't waver on that, nor will I.
Again, disagree. If religion was that rigid, there wouldn't be anything about forgiveness - because straying from strict adherence would have meant failure and an immediate casting out. But that doesn't happen; all faiths essentially ask you to do your best, and guide you when you slip up.

That said, religion has always adapted as society's needs and culture have changed, or upon new discoveries - just like language, just like science.

Music isn't religion. Poor metaphor
So you say.

Which is precisely why you don't need to believe in "the trinity" and whole other host of irrational shyt to be religious

I have a problem with the means as well as the ends.
While that's your business, it's a pointlessly stubborn position to take, and no more productive than someone dogmatically insisting on a rigid religious path to becoming a better person. You're essentially arguing that 2+2 is better than 3+1.

It's completely irrational to have a problem with the cause if the result (in this case having a pro-black agenda) is exactly the same as the decisions you made to arrive at the same agenda. The atheist you cited that worked alongside MLK knew that on some level.
 

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But the concept of human worth and rights outside of what state dictates is FACTUALLY untrue

Thats not what a fact is. The state and the laws of the state are opinions.

And is also according to your worldview a mere made up untrue idea/thing
All laws are made up things

And those concepts are also unproven
They're not statements of fact.

So again are u now concluding that the people who believed in the illusory, untrue, made up concepts of human rights and worth outside of what state dictates, that fought against racism are now exempt from being pro black??
Yes, because religion composed of moral pronouncements asks you to adopt factually untrue statements about the order of the universe
Stop dodging the question and stick to the original premise of ur thread u indian curry smelling coward :blessed:
Try harder
 

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Again, disagree. If religion was that rigid
Stop

Religion IS that rigid. People just hate to admit the stuff they don't follow is bullshyt.

Fundies are the true believers.

, there wouldn't be anything about forgiveness - because straying from strict adherence would have meant failure and an immediate casting out. But that doesn't happen; all faiths essentially ask you to do your best, and guide you when you slip up.
Well thats what happens when you adopt the faith. Too bad.

That said, religion has always adapted as society's needs and culture have changed, or upon new discoveries - just like language, just like science.
Its an attempt at staying relevant because its so CLEARLY bullshyt and humanly created.

So you say.

While that's your business, it's a pointlessly stubborn position to take, and no more productive than someone dogmatically insisting on a rigid religious path to becoming a better person. You're essentially arguing that 2+2 is better than 3+1.
Religion does not even contribute to one's evolution when it asks you to adopt untrue statements.
It's completely irrational to have a problem with the cause if the result (in this case having a pro-black agenda) is exactly the same as the decisions you made to arrive at the same agenda. The atheist you cited that worked alongside MLK knew that on some level.

The means matter and I believe a secular MLK (as influenced by clearly non-believing people in his circle) would be a better MLK.

Religion is a character flaw and you won't get me to budge on that.
 
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