Debate: You can't be pro-black and religious

[blackslash]

Thats not what a fact is. The state and the laws of the state are opinions.


All laws are made up things

They're not statements of fact.

Yes, because religion composed of moral pronouncements asks you to adopt factually untrue statements about the order of the universe

Try harder

Yes all laws are made up things based on ideologies the state mandates/validates as true

But what Im asking you is

Oppressed races railing against laws that oppressed them, based their arguments on the fact that the laws of the land violated an intrinsic right of the oppressed people.

Majority of the time that is the case

But again according to your worldview that idea/concept is an illusory one that is also untrue(the idea that we have any worth or rights in and of our self outside of what the land dictates cannot be proven to be true)

SO my question is...that even though the the majority who fight against racism are those that believe that they have intrinsic rights and worth that is being violated by the land, according to the premise of your thread..people who fought on that basis cant be pro black??

nikka again are u stupid simple or slow

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yes all laws are made up things based on ideologies the state mandates/validates as true

But what Im asking you is

Oppressed races railing against laws that oppressed them, based their arguments on the fact that the laws of the land violated an intrinsic right of the oppressed people.

Majority of the time that is the case

But again according to your worldview that idea/concept is an illusory one that is also untrue(the idea that we have any worth or rights in and of our self outside of what the land dictates cannot be proven to be true)

SO my question is...that even though the the majority who fight against racism are those that believe that they have intrinsic rights and worth that is being violated by the land, according to the premise of your thread..people who fought on that basis cant be pro black??

nikka again are u stupid simple or slow

Why is superstition a prerequisite to do do this?

 

[blackslash]

Why is superstition a prerequisite to do do this?

the idea that we have intrinsic rights or worth is superstition and illusory in and of itself

 

[Ronnie Lott]

Defeat in what?

I talk about religion...because I want to. Whats your fukking point?

You're response of "so" showed your defeat.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

Another pointless Napoleon religion thread that will unsuccessfully change the minds of no one

 

[Will Ross]

Napleon can you be pro black and gay?

 

[Davin Black]

Religion is a character flaw and you won't get me to budge on that.

Not trying to get you to budge - as this isn't really my issue. The start of this debate was about religion's place in promoting pro-black causes.

I'm going to encounter people like you and give zero fukks what they personally believe as long as they're helping further the cause. As an example, I'm focused on making sure nothing like Ferguson happens in DC - which means getting more involved with the city council. If that's a worthy cause for someone and they want to help, I won't turn them away just because their belief system doesn't reflect mine.

You're going to encounter people like me and have an internal shyt-fit about their personal motivations. The only way anything you've said here had any meaning at all is if you're in a situation where you need people to help further your cause, get people willing to volunteer their time/resources - and then actively turn away those who subscribe to some sort of faith.

(Which, again, seems counterproductive in the face of the chance to work with people interested in achieving the same end-goal.)

I don't know what, if anything, you were really trying to get out of this back-and-forth.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

the idea that we have intrinsic rights or worth is superstition and illusory in and of itself

Its not if you admit that you start somewhere and build upon that

However the notion that "god" exists and "watches you" do xyz is innately bullshyt.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Not trying to get you to budge - as this isn't really my issue. The start of this debate was about religion's place in promoting pro-black causes.

I'm going to encounter people like you and give zero fukks what they personally believe as long as they're helping further the cause. As an example, I'm focused on making sure nothing like Ferguson happens in DC - which means getting more involved with the city council. If that's a worthy cause for someone and they want to help, I won't turn them away just because their belief system doesn't reflect mine.

You're going to encounter people like me and have an internal shyt-fit about their personal motivations. The only way anything you've said here had any meaning at all is if you're in a situation where you need people to help further your cause, get people willing to volunteer their time/resources - and then actively turn away those who subscribe to some sort of faith.

(Which, again, seems counterproductive in the face of the chance to work with people interested in achieving the same end-goal.)

I don't know what, if anything, you were really trying to get out of this back-and-forth.

Your religious affiliation makes you infinitely more gullible and opens you up to being taken advantage of.

Thats what it comes down to.

If I have identical candidates on a piece of paper for a leadership role and one is religious, i'm taking the other person. I just ultimately can't trust anyone who invests in that frame of mind.

People like you seem to think that a politicians religion is off the table

Like hell it is. You all threw a shyt-fit when Romney was a mormon but somehow christianity just gets massaged in and people overlook it.

You have some absolutely insane and utterly ridiculous beliefs. Its up for discussion as it pertains to the rest of your mental acuity as far as I'm concerned.

 

[blackslash]

Its not if you admit that you start somewhere and build upon that

However the notion that "god" exists and "watches you" do xyz is innately bullshyt.

thats not the original premise of ur thread

ur Op found issue with seeing how can individuals believe in illusory concepts and be pro black

So thats the discussion

And the idea of INTRINSIC human worth and rights is in fact illusory and unproven

Theres no "its not if u admit that...blah blah" or w.e u were tryna say to attempt to take back the implications of your OP

The concept of intrinsic human rights and worth are in fact illusory and unproven and yet that has been the basis for the majority of revolutions initialized by an oppressed group of people

SO again u are basically concluding most people who fought against racism are in fact not pro black

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

thats not the original premise of ur thread

ur Op found issue with seeing how can individuals believe in illusory concepts and be pro black

So thats the discussion

And the idea of INTRINSIC human worth and rights is in fact illusory and unproven

Theres no "its not if u admit that...blah blah" or w.e u were tryna say to attempt to take back the implications of your OP

The concept of intrinsic human rights and worth are in fact illusory and unproven and yet that has been the basis for the majority of revolutions initialized by an oppressed group of people

SO again u are basically concluding most people who fought against racism are in fact not pro black

You're taking a bunch of massive leaps.

Lets keep it simple:

I can't have black leaders who are gullible enough to adopt untrue things.

Period.

 

[blackslash]

You're taking a bunch of massive leaps.

Lets keep it simple:

I can't have black leaders who are gullible enough to adopt untrue things.

Period.

the idea that humans have intrinsic worth or rights is untrue so you just exempted most black revolutionaries from being classified as pro black

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

the idea that humans have intrinsic worth or rights is untrue

False. Its not an assertion of fact. Its an idea developed out of the aether. The statement about "god existing" is a statement of fact.

so you just exempted most black revolutionaries from being classified as pro black

keep up.

 

[Davin Black]

Your religious affiliation makes you infinitely more gullible and opens you up to being taken advantage of.

Thats what it comes down to.

Again, so you say.

People like you seem to think that a politicians religion is off the table

Like hell it is. You all threw a shyt-fit when Romney was a mormon but somehow christianity just gets massaged in and people overlook it.

Hah, okay?

FWIW, my problem with Romney had nothing to do with his being Mormon, but with the legal gymnastics he pulled at Bain Capital to basically keep billions of dollars out of the country. He's the definition of un-American IMHO...but that's for another conversation.

You have some absolutely insane and utterly ridiculous beliefs. Its up for discussion as it pertains to the rest of your mental acuity as far as I'm concerned.

Like I said: that's your problem. But until you start some pro-black cause (which as an atheist you most likely haven't or won't) that calls for volunteers and leadership, your words are pointless.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Which god?

Which one do your family members believe in? Shiva?