Demarcus Cousins is to the Kings what Kevin Love was to the Timberwolves

[Gravity]

Boogie would be a number 1 on the Celtics and they'd win with him, he's exactly what they are missing. I'm not the biggest fan of his game, but with more restraint he'd be a 23ppg 12rpg 48-52% player with the Celtics, the talent is undeniable, Sheed didn't want to be a number 1, he had the talent to be right there with KG and Duncan but he prefered to coast. I don't get the impression Cousins wants to coast, I get the impression he wants to win but doesn't understand how and the Kings haven't helped him much either with their drafting - Stauskas, Fredette, McLemore (talented but they fukked him over), trading Bismack Biyombo who would have been a good fit next to Boogie.


We're talking about an organization that took Fredette over Klay Thompson and Kawhi Leonard.

Ill still never understand why Sheed never to be a number one. I still marvel over how he tortuted cats in that one Portland playoff run when they should've went to the finals. Dude was unstoppable.

I pretty much agree here. I would like to see him with more structure but the question is is he coachable right now? Well he adhere to a structure? I'm not the biggest Karl fan but he's a proven/respected coach who has a structure. The Kings haven't drafted well but the team is still underachieving. Obviously it's not all on him but from a distance it looks like he's part of the problem.

 

[Malta]

Ill still never understand why Sheed never to be a number one. I still marvel over how he tortuted cats in that one Portland playoff run when they should've went to the finals. Dude was unstoppable.

I pretty much agree here. I would like to see him with more structure but the question is is he coachable right now? Well he adhere to a structure? I'm not the biggest Karl fan but he's a proven/respected coach who has a structure. The Kings haven't drafted well but the team is still underachieving. Obviously it's not all on him but from a distance it looks like he's part of the problem.

Not everyone wants that responsibility, I think Cousins is like Sheed how emotional he gets, but it all comes from the same place which is they want to win. Dude hasn't been in trouble off the court in the league, he just blows up at bad calls.

Cousins isn't blameless, they could be better if he cleaned up his turnovers, but part of the reason he has to take threes this year is because of Rondo, the spacing is terrible with him and they can't even play WCS because offensively the spacing would be trash with the two of them on the floor. There's a ceiling on how good they can be because of the roster they've put together, Collison is a better PG for that team than Rondo but people just see the assist numbers and don't look at his horrible defense or how he effects floor balance. Cousins was coachable with Mike Malone, I think the issue is once he loses respect for a coach that's it, and George Karl as good as he was always ends things badly with players hating his guts.


The Celtics and him need each other.

 

[Gravity]

Not everyone wants that responsibility, I think Cousins is like Sheed how emotional he gets, but it all comes from the same place which is they want to win. Dude hasn't been in trouble off the court in the league, he just blows up at bad calls.

Cousins isn't blameless, they could be better if he cleaned up his turnovers, but part of the reason he has to take threes this year is because of Rondo, the spacing is terrible with him and they can't even play WCS because offensively the spacing would be trash with the two of them on the floor. There's a ceiling on how good they can be because of the roster they've put together, Collison is a better PG for that team than Rondo but people just see the assist numbers and don't look at his horrible defense or how he effects floor balance. Cousins was coachable with Mike Malone, I think the issue is once he loses respect for a coach that's it, and George Karl as good as he was always ends things badly with players hating his guts.


The Celtics and him need each other.

I could see it like that. I just think he's still maturing.

I wouldn't mind seeing him with the Celts tho just because he does have the talent and I think that Stevens is a hell of a coach.

 

[duckbutta]

Here's the problem with your statement:

If you put him on those teams, there's a chance those teams have players better than him. If not, he could bring them down simply by being the temperamental guy he is. You can't keep avoiding that. Do the Kings suck? Yes. Are they dysfunctional? Yes. Does Cousins do himself or the team any favors by acting the way he does? NO. The cure to him not acting like a whiner is not to put better players around him. It could help, but it won't solve all his problems. He needs a babysitter, and as great as some players are, young players are simply not gonna wanna keep being his den mother. Look at KD and Beasley. Them two are super close, but them two have never been on the same NBA teams and when Beasley was out, KD never put in that word because KD isn't gonna wanna be responsible for him. Name me a team that will look out for Cousins and I'll show you a team that has better players than him.

His only problem is that he has had shytty teammates...shytty coaches...shytty front office people...a shytty owner...

None of those things have anything to do with Boogie...

This "temperamental" talk is bullshyt and borderline code word talk...That's white people talk for "big black man in a situation where everyone BUT him keeps fukking up and he starts complaining about it..."

I mean...how much are the Kings allowed to fukk up but keep running with the perception that Boogie attitude is the problem?

Was it Boogies attitude that made Vivic draft Ben Mclemore and then draft the white version of him the next year in Nik Stauskas?

Was it Boogie who then tried to undo that mistake by dumping Stauskas and stupidly giving up draft picks to do so?

Was it Boogie who hired a coach who instantly came in and tried to trade him?

Was it Boogie who fired the one coach who was turning the Kings into something other than a shyt show because "they want to play faster"...

Was it Boogie who said they were firing Karl...then not firing Karl...then firing him...then not firing him?

Was it Boogie who said he is looking for someone to be the general manager of the team while the exact same person who is looking for a general manager IS the general manager?

Was it Boogie who hired a guy to be the GM who had never done any type of front office player personnel work ever in the first place?

I could have sworn WCS was griping about the coaching? I haven't heard him gripe about Boogie at all?

I could have sworn Ben Mclemore was asking to get traded out of their?

Name all of Boogies former coaches for the Kings and tell me what they are doing right now, outside of Mike Malone?

Honestly...tell me? Tell me how many more dumb decisions the owner gets to make before he is the one at fault...how many more draft picks does the GM get to throw away because he doesn't understand the rules of trading nba players before he is the one at fault...how many coaches is Boogie going to have to get to come in and try to trade for him before they even play 5 games before it is the coaches fault...how many players not named Boogie have to complain about the coaching and the organization before it's not Boogie's fault?

I swear having any type of job with Kings has got to be the best job in the world...because no matter how much you fukk up or how incompetent you are...you get to just blame Boogie for everything that goes wrong with your team...

Boogie needs a babysitter? What? He is the only guy in that entire organization who hasn't done something incredibly stupid and sat the franchise back years and years and years

If Boogie needs a babysitter then what the fukk does Vivek need? Because real world history has shown that without the proper supervision he will just draft the same guy over and over and over...

If Boogie needs a babysitter then what the fukk does Divac need? Because real world history has shown that without proper supervision he will do stuff like trade a guy and then stupidly give draft picks away to do so when he had options of getting rid of the guy and not having to trade a player or picks to do it.

If Boogie needs a babysitter then what the fukk does George Karl need? Because real world history has shown that some of his former players hate him so much that during a playoff series they will run and tell the other coach George Karl gameplan just to sabotage him. Real world history has shown that if you hire George Karl he may come in and try to trade your best player even after you explicitly tell him not to WHILE not even having the authority to try and trade the player in the first place?

fukking unbelievable ...the one fukking guy who shows up every night and does his job is the one guy who needs a babysitter

Meanwhile the front office just gave up on a top 10 pick after 1 year...while giving up a top 10 protected pick...while allowing a team to swap 2 first round picks with them if they so choose. in the future..and the rights to some random euro's...and a 2nd round pick...and they did all of this in the same deal...so that they could get 1 year of Rajon Rondo...

But Boogie needs someone to "look out for him"

 

[duckbutta]

The majority of it is the Kings fault, but there's no excuse for a guy with his height and talent shooting below 50% regularly. He needs to work on his shot selection and become more efficient.

Him never playing with another offensive threat in the post aint doing him any favors...

Unless you think Quincy Acy is somehow doing anything in the paint to help Boogie...or WCS is doing anything in the paint to help Boogie...maybe WCS in the future...but hopefully Boogie gets the fukk out of that shyt hole before they do something stupid like trade away years worth of draft picks so they can sign Rondo and Belinelli...

 

[tremonthustler1]

His only problem is that he has had shytty teammates...shytty coaches...shytty front office people...a shytty owner...

None of those things have anything to do with Boogie...

This "temperamental" talk is bullshyt and borderline code word talk...That's white people talk for "big black man in a situation where everyone BUT him keeps fukking up and he starts complaining about it..."

I mean...how much are the Kings allowed to fukk up but keep running with the perception that Boogie attitude is the problem?

Was it Boogies attitude that made Vivic draft Ben Mclemore and then draft the white version of him the next year in Nik Stauskas?

Was it Boogie who then tried to undo that mistake by dumping Stauskas and stupidly giving up draft picks to do so?

Was it Boogie who hired a coach who instantly came in and tried to trade him?

Was it Boogie who fired the one coach who was turning the Kings into something other than a shyt show because "they want to play faster"...

Was it Boogie who said they were firing Karl...then not firing Karl...then firing him...then not firing him?

Was it Boogie who said he is looking for someone to be the general manager of the team while the exact same person who is looking for a general manager IS the general manager?

Was it Boogie who hired a guy to be the GM who had never done any type of front office player personnel work ever in the first place?

I could have sworn WCS was griping about the coaching? I haven't heard him gripe about Boogie at all?

I could have sworn Ben Mclemore was asking to get traded out of their?

Name all of Boogies former coaches for the Kings and tell me what they are doing right now, outside of Mike Malone?

Honestly...tell me? Tell me how many more dumb decisions the owner gets to make before he is the one at fault...how many more draft picks does the GM get to throw away because he doesn't understand the rules of trading nba players before he is the one at fault...how many coaches is Boogie going to have to get to come in and try to trade for him before they even play 5 games before it is the coaches fault...how many players not named Boogie have to complain about the coaching and the organization before it's not Boogie's fault?

I swear having any type of job with Kings has got to be the best job in the world...because no matter how much you fukk up or how incompetent you are...you get to just blame Boogie for everything that goes wrong with your team...

Boogie needs a babysitter? What? He is the only guy in that entire organization who hasn't done something incredibly stupid and sat the franchise back years and years and years

If Boogie needs a babysitter then what the fukk does Vivek need? Because real world history has shown that without the proper supervision he will just draft the same guy over and over and over...

If Boogie needs a babysitter then what the fukk does Divac need? Because real world history has shown that without proper supervision he will do stuff like trade a guy and then stupidly give draft picks away to do so when he had options of getting rid of the guy and not having to trade a player or picks to do it.

If Boogie needs a babysitter then what the fukk does George Karl need? Because real world history has shown that some of his former players hate him so much that during a playoff series they will run and tell the other coach George Karl gameplan just to sabotage him. Real world history has shown that if you hire George Karl he may come in and try to trade your best player even after you explicitly tell him not to WHILE not even having the authority to try and trade the player in the first place?

fukking unbelievable ...the one fukking guy who shows up every night and does his job is the one guy who needs a babysitter

Meanwhile the front office just gave up on a top 10 pick after 1 year...while giving up a top 10 protected pick...while allowing a team to swap 2 first round picks with them if they so choose. in the future..and the rights to some random euro's...and a 2nd round pick...and they did all of this in the same deal...so that they could get 1 year of Rajon Rondo...

But Boogie needs someone to "look out for him"

It ain't code word for shyt. It's who he has been SINCE HIGH SCHOOL. Why are you acting as if all of this shyt all of a sudden popped up as a member of the Kings when he did this shyt under Cal? He did this in high school. The Kings didn't turn Boogie into this. They just magnify it more. Like I already done said, the Kings suck and are dysfunctional, but Cousins' attitude doesn't lead teams to wanna take that chance because he'll easily do this there too. NOBODY is absolving the Kings (clearly we know why they're the second biggest disgrace in that conference), but Boogie needs to look himself in the mirror and realize how he plays and how he acts when he plays isn't the most conducive to winning, especially if he is expected to be a leader.

If all Boogie wants is Malone, he knows where to find him in Denver... but you know he's not doing that if he ever had the chance.

If all Boogie needs is a winning environment, what was his excuse when he was in one at Kentucky?

If Boogie didn't need someone to look out for him, why is it that ANY team who thinks about acquiring him needs to be really sure about who their leaders are in their front office and on the court?

I get why you and others wanna see him succeed; the talent would be such a waste if he didn't, but the place that figures out how to win with Cousins will do so by getting him to calm down and cooperate.

 

[I.V.]

This "temperamental" talk is bullshyt and borderline code word talk..

I think sometimes you're right... but here, while it may be some dog-whistling, it also means he leads the league in techs.

It isn't ALL narrative, he ALSO whines a lot and gets a bunch of techs.

And this is coming from somebody who actively roots for Boogie, he's one of my favorite players to watch... I'm a total convert.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Put Boogie on a team with structure, stability and proper personnel and we aren't even having this conversation.

 

[duckbutta]

It ain't code word for shyt. It's who he has been SINCE HIGH SCHOOL. Why are you acting as if all of this shyt all of a sudden popped up as a member of the Kings when he did this shyt under Cal? He did this in high school. The Kings didn't turn Boogie into this. They just magnify it more. Like I already done said, the Kings suck and are dysfunctional, but Cousins' attitude doesn't lead teams to wanna take that chance because he'll easily do this there too. NOBODY is absolving the Kings (clearly we know why they're the second biggest disgrace in that conference), but Boogie needs to look himself in the mirror and realize how he plays and how he acts when he plays isn't the most conducive to winning, especially if he is expected to be a leader.

If all Boogie wants is Malone, he knows where to find him in Denver... but you know he's not doing that if he ever had the chance.

If all Boogie needs is a winning environment, what was his excuse when he was in one at Kentucky?

If Boogie didn't need someone to look out for him, why is it that ANY team who thinks about acquiring him needs to be really sure about who their leaders are in their front office and on the court?

I get why you and others wanna see him succeed; the talent would be such a waste if he didn't, but the place that figures out how to win with Cousins will do so by getting him to calm down and cooperate.

No. He won't "easily do it there to". He go to any playoff caliber team and he is instantly going to turn them into a borderline championship team. He is going to stop wining and crying because all of that stems from losing and he won't be losing night in and night out anymore...

Why leave Kentucky? It's a basketball factory? You play one year and you leave. It's not even a real college team. It's a lottery pick nba d league team.

It's not really me or anyone else wanting to see Boogie succeed...it's myself and other people tired of Boogie getting all the blame where there are people who have more to do with the Kings success as a franchise than he does and they just keep screwing up over and over and over and over and every...fukking..time...they do it somehow it turns into "Boogie is not mature enough"..."Boogie is to temperamental"..."Boogie needs to grow up"

Boogie needs somebody who can run an nba team without making the dumbest possible decisions...Boogie needs a GM who won't trade 2 years worth of draft picks away...Boogie needs a coach who won't try and trade him as soon as he is announced coach...Boogie needs to be put in a position where he somehow doesn't have to rely on Quincy Acy to be a consistently good basketball player night in and night out...

You say nobody is absolving the kings but I aint never seen a Vivek thread on here...never seen a Vlade Divac WOAT GM thread on here...never seen a George Karl so hated his former player sabotaged his playoff series thread on here...

That sounds like absolving to me...that sounds like we just going to sweep all that other stuff under the rug and say Boogie needs to learn to stop pouting

"Hey Boogie I know your GM just traded away 2 years worth of draft picks to get rid of Nik Stauskas but I need you to be a leader and not pout and not be a big baby"

"Hey Boogie I know your coach tried to trade you even before he bought a plane ticket to come coach the Sacremento Kings but I need you to just suck it up and smile and tell the media that it is all okay and we are a family and you are going to keep working hard and keep trying to get us to the top"

 

[tremonthustler1]

Put Boogie on a team with structure, stability and proper personnel and we aren't even having this conversation.

You can count the amount of teams with all that on one hand.

 

[The War Report]

It ain't code word for shyt. It's who he has been SINCE HIGH SCHOOL. Why are you acting as if all of this shyt all of a sudden popped up as a member of the Kings when he did this shyt under Cal? He did this in high school. The Kings didn't turn Boogie into this. They just magnify it more. Like I already done said, the Kings suck and are dysfunctional, but Cousins' attitude doesn't lead teams to wanna take that chance because he'll easily do this there too. NOBODY is absolving the Kings (clearly we know why they're the second biggest disgrace in that conference), but Boogie needs to look himself in the mirror and realize how he plays and how he acts when he plays isn't the most conducive to winning, especially if he is expected to be a leader.

If all Boogie wants is Malone, he knows where to find him in Denver... but you know he's not doing that if he ever had the chance.

If all Boogie needs is a winning environment, what was his excuse when he was in one at Kentucky?

If Boogie didn't need someone to look out for him, why is it that ANY team who thinks about acquiring him needs to be really sure about who their leaders are in their front office and on the court?

I get why you and others wanna see him succeed; the talent would be such a waste if he didn't, but the place that figures out how to win with Cousins will do so by getting him to calm down and cooperate.

It's like dudes forgot that he didn't get drafted by The Sixers because Doug Collins didn't want to deal with him.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You can count the amount of teams with all that on one hand.

That's more than you can say for 99% of the league. LeBron, Curry and KD are about the only players that would be able to make something positive out of the dire state that the Kings are in.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I get why you and others wanna see him succeed; the talent would be such a waste if he didn't, but the place that figures out how to win with Cousins will do so by getting him to calm down and cooperate.

Oh yes, because all the team's problems are centered around Cousins' temperament and his 'inability' to be coached.

 

[tremonthustler1]

It's not really me or anyone else wanting to see Boogie succeed...it's myself and other people tired of Boogie getting all the blame where there are people who have more to do with the Kings success as a franchise than he does and they just keep screwing up over and over and over and over and every...fukking..time...they do it somehow it turns into "Boogie is not mature enough"..."Boogie is to temperamental"..."Boogie needs to grow up"

Boogie needs somebody who can run an nba team without making the dumbest possible decisions...Boogie needs a GM who won't trade 2 years worth of draft picks away...Boogie needs a coach who won't try and trade him as soon as he is announced coach...Boogie needs to be put in a position where he somehow doesn't have to rely on Quincy Acy to be a consistently good basketball player night in and night out...

You say nobody is absolving the kings but I aint never seen a Vivek thread on here...never seen a Vlade Divac WOAT GM thread on here...never seen a George Karl so hated his former player sabotaged his playoff series thread on here...

That sounds like absolving to me...that sounds like we just going to sweep all that other stuff under the rug and say Boogie needs to learn to stop pouting

"Hey Boogie I know your GM just traded away 2 years worth of draft picks to get rid of Nik Stauskas but I need you to be a leader and not pout and not be a big baby"

"Hey Boogie I know your coach tried to trade you even before he bought a plane ticket to come coach the Sacremento Kings but I need you to just suck it up and smile and tell the media that it is all okay and we are a family and you are going to keep working hard and keep trying to get us to the top"

Clearly I'm saying this the whole time yet you keep ignoring it. No other way to say it. Cousins isn't blameless. You're sweeping what I'm saying about the Kings under the rug because you want the conversation to go, "the Kings suck, but Cousins has a little to do with it" to "the Kings suck, period" and that can't happen. That's turning a blind eye to the situation.

Do you know WHY Vivek threads don't exist? Why Glen Taylor threads don't exist? Hell, even why Dolan, Buss, (insert crap owner) threads don't exist? For the same reason why you don't see many if any articles demanding the team be sold: because you can't fire the owner. He's there til he decides not to be there or if he gets caught saying the N word. So unless you have a plan to get Vivek caught on tape fukking up, this is what Sacramento will have. Cousins needs to figure that out for himself and fast.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Oh yes, because all the team's problems are centered around Cousins' temperament and his 'inability' to be coached.

that's not what I said at all. Is that a factor though? Absolutely. You'd be a fool to say it isn't. I don't think anyone is saying he's the main reason why they suck as an organization (if anyone knows about garbage basketball organizations, you're talking to him ), but a parting between Cousins and Kings is beneficial to both parties without factoring in the need to have Cousins around for their new arena (which is the ONLY reason why it wouldn't make sense to trade him)