Democratic Party Rebuild

[the cac mamba]

where was this energy onstage with vance

 

[FAH1223]

 

[John Reena]

What do other Arab countries have to do with me as a US tax paying citizen not wanting my tax dollars to be used for the slaughter of innocent civilians ? If I felt the opposite way I'd just vote republican


Are black leftist incapable of being anti genocide, honestly confused by this stupid ass statement. Like I said we should splitter the party so you bush era imperialist a$$holes can fetishize over your government slaughtering civilians regardless of the future repercussions

LOL @ “split the party”.

Like progressives would actually work together. Y’all would purity test each other to death with your moral narcissism. Cuz nothing is EVER good enough for y’all.

 

[Outlaw]

LOL @ “split the party”.

Like progressives would actually work together. Y’all would purity test each other to death with your moral narcissism. Cuz nothing is EVER good enough for y’all.

All emotion no logic. Splitting the party would guarantee Republican dominance. If @Loose ideology was as popular as he thinks it is, they should be able to take over the party organically through primaries like MAGA did

 

[King Kreole]

This is definitely a problem in the podcast/youtube sphere.

The Right votes non-stop.
The Left can't be left enough without shytting all over the "left" party. And then they are pikachu face when the left continually loses. Sure it is morally correct that you call it balls and strikes. It's great that you are so above the fray that you know the Republicans are trash, but you still have to make sure that you don't give the Democrats a pass. But, then you do that forever, and at the last minute are like but hey vote for the Democrats. Then you're like what the hell how did the Democrats miss this layup.

Look at Channels like Breaking Points. They are the epitome of how the Left and the Right totally care about populism. Screw the culture wars, screw the left and the right. Just talk policy and everyone agrees. But, then you watch that show consistently. Saagar doesn't shyt on the Right, excuses Trump, Vance, etc. Krystal shyts on Trump, Vance, etc. But, she makes a serious point to also shyt on the Dems. So then you get an audience that leans right, because the only thing they really agree on is hating the left. How does that win? How does that further the Progressive ideals?

Majority Report does a better job of balancing the left/Democrats than most of the Channels. But, they still go out of their way to be like the Republicans suck, but we still have to talk about how the Democrats suck, but please vote for them. And then their audience doesn't vote for them. Sam killed Jimmy Dore on the Supreme Court balance of why voting for Hillary would have been better than Trump. But, his channel made it clear that Hillary isn't as pure as Bernie, and she's not really "left is best" so they (the fan base) didn't vote for her. Just like Dore's audience. Because that is what the Left channels are good at. They are good at telling you how the Liberal party isn't perfect, and you know the Conservative party is trash. But, none of them do a good job of convincing you to vote liberal after all their grievances.

And at the end of the day. No matter how populist the Country polls. The voting public isn't liberal, they aren't left, they like left policies in theory. But, they don't care about them enough to vote for the party that will bring those policies. I don't know how you fix this break.

The Right and it's media apparatus will never turn on the right. Just like the Dems in Congress want to try and rely on past bipartisanship and how the Government used to act. Left leaning media has this concept in their head, that they can't be their best if they don't criticize the side/party that is most favorable to them. And all it breeds is apathy. People want Jon Stewart to run, and he's out here bothsidesing when it's clear ONE party is exponentially worst.

we're a broken country and we're playing two totally different games when it comes to politics.

This is a good, well thought out post. But I disagree with one of its fundamental assertions. The Right are not as hive-minded as you make them out to be. Go into any of these right-wing media outlets and say the name Mike Pence, Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, Adam Kinzinger or hell even Liz Cheney. Trump just threatened to primary Thomas Massie. He's constantly threatening Republicans who displease him with primary challenges. Steve Bannon just called Elon Musk a "parasitic illegal immigrant". There's a lot of infighting on the right on the issues of Ukraine and Israel. There are a significant amount of right-wing media influencers that have been criticizing Trump for being slavishly pro-Israel ("MIGA"). Ann Coulter just called out Trump for bombing Yemen and deporting Mahmoud Khalil.

You say the right votes non-stop, but that's because the Republican Party gives them what they want at the top of the ticket. If this situation changes and the Republican Party tries forcing through a Mitt Romney type as the nominee over a Trump, then the MAGA voters aren't showing up. They were literally chanting "hang Mike Pence!", they're not just gonna get on code and vote for him or some other "RINO". Nikki Haley probably loses the election to Kamala. In the 2022 midterms when Trump wasn't on the ballot, the Republicans were outvoted by the Democratic coalition that included the left. If you want the left base to consistently vote for the Democratic ticket with the same devotion the right base has voted for Trump/MAGA, you have to actually give them their version of Trump/MAGA.

The right were the first to do their post-neoliberalism intra-party civil war with the Tea Party movement and it culminated in an explicitly rightward shift of energy and representation at the top of the Party and ticket. The left attempted this with the Occupy movement and it almost culminated in an explicitly leftward shift of energy and representation at the top of the ticket in 2016, but for many reasons it didn't come to fruition. And the Democratic leadership is still primarily filled with people who are moderate centrists, while the Republican leadership has more or less been purged of RINOs and filled with MAGA extremists. So the Democratic Party has been in the position of asking the left to vote for their equivalent of Jeb Bush; a situation the right wouldn't be voting for in droves either. In 2020 you had a centrist candidate who acquiesced to some left policies and was rewarded with left votes. The left is probably softer on the Centrist Democrat Party than the right has/would be to the Centrist Republican Party.

This definitely is a broken country, but if we're playing two totally different games when it comes to politics, I think that's because one party is more deferential to their base than the other. If you want to juice the Democrat numbers on the left more, you have to give the left what the Republicans gave the right. The leftist influencers and media ecosystem are downstream of the Democratic Party, and will start "getting on code" and become more enthusiastic once the Party starts giving them more respect and representation. Look at how the left media is handling Tim Walz right now. The Party gives him some space to play leftist ball, and in return the left media are holding him up.

 

[Loose]

All emotion no logic. Splitting the party would guarantee Republican dominance. If @Loose ideology was as popular as he thinks it is, they should be able to take over the party organically through primaries like MAGA did

Seems to be what you all want , when you all hold fairly new immoral party positions. The left used to be in somewhat of an agreement from a general morality standpoint that genocides and neocons aren't welcomed to the party. Somehow the Overton window for genocides moved to the right morally for some of you when our elected president funded one. You rather attack family members and voters instead of holding the criticism for the leader of the party at the time. History won't age well for some of you.

 

[Outlaw]

Seems to be what you all want , when you all hold fairly new immoral party positions. The left used to be in somewhat of an agreement from a general morality standpoint that genocides and neocons aren't welcomed to the party. Somehow the Overton window for genocides moved to the right morally for some of you when our elected president funded one. You rather attack family members and voters instead of holding the criticism for the leader of the party at the time. History won't age well for some of you.

Your appeal to emotions doesn’t work breh otherwise Trump wouldn’t win. The faction of your party needs to prove to us that they can win nationally by first winning primaries. It’s not that hard of a calculus

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[Loose]

Your appeal to emotions doesn’t work breh otherwise Trump wouldn’t win. The faction of your party needs to prove to us that they can win nationally by first winning primaries. It’s not that hard of a calculus

What party of faction is pro genocide that wins elections I'm absolutely confused what you're babbling about.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The left was pretty united in being willing to support Biden - a lifelong centrist and no beloved leftist himself - until he decided to aid and abet the worst humanitarian crisis of this era. The left was pretty united in being willing to support Kamala's campaign until she chose to support the genocidal Zionists and pal around with right-wing figures whose vision for America did not overlap with ours more than it diverged. If the next Democratic nominee is a Centrist who believes they can follow the deeply immoral path taken by Biden and Kamala, they will lose and the Democratic Party will continue to bleed support. Centrist Libs who have desiccated morality be damned, I'm not going to support a Party that enables this:



I cannot and I will not. Red line. It's up to Democratic leadership to decide if they want these leftist votes or not.

Before October 7th, Briahna was openly telling people not to vote for Democrats.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is definitely a problem in the podcast/youtube sphere.

The Right votes non-stop.
The Left can't be left enough without shytting all over the "left" party. And then they are pikachu face when the left continually loses. Sure it is morally correct that you call it balls and strikes. It's great that you are so above the fray that you know the Republicans are trash, but you still have to make sure that you don't give the Democrats a pass. But, then you do that forever, and at the last minute are like but hey vote for the Democrats. Then you're like what the hell how did the Democrats miss this layup.

Look at Channels like Breaking Points. They are the epitome of how the Left and the Right totally care about populism. Screw the culture wars, screw the left and the right. Just talk policy and everyone agrees. But, then you watch that show consistently. Saagar doesn't shyt on the Right, excuses Trump, Vance, etc. Krystal shyts on Trump, Vance, etc. But, she makes a serious point to also shyt on the Dems. So then you get an audience that leans right, because the only thing they really agree on is hating the left. How does that win? How does that further the Progressive ideals?

Majority Report does a better job of balancing the left/Democrats than most of the Channels. But, they still go out of their way to be like the Republicans suck, but we still have to talk about how the Democrats suck, but please vote for them. And then their audience doesn't vote for them. Sam killed Jimmy Dore on the Supreme Court balance of why voting for Hillary would have been better than Trump. But, his channel made it clear that Hillary isn't as pure as Bernie, and she's not really "left is best" so they (the fan base) didn't vote for her. Just like Dore's audience. Because that is what the Left channels are good at. They are good at telling you how the Liberal party isn't perfect, and you know the Conservative party is trash. But, none of them do a good job of convincing you to vote liberal after all their grievances.

And at the end of the day. No matter how populist the Country polls. The voting public isn't liberal, they aren't left, they like left policies in theory. But, they don't care about them enough to vote for the party that will bring those policies. I don't know how you fix this break.

The Right and it's media apparatus will never turn on the right. Just like the Dems in Congress want to try and rely on past bipartisanship and how the Government used to act. Left leaning media has this concept in their head, that they can't be their best if they don't criticize the side/party that is most favorable to them. And all it breeds is apathy. People want Jon Stewart to run, and he's out here bothsidesing when it's clear ONE party is exponentially worst.

we're a broken country and we're playing two totally different games when it comes to politics.

This is why I started this thread years ago. Even the Majority Report had to learn to just back the democrats because the bernie movement flamed out.

They were even attacking Elizabeth Warren! Thats when I knew we had a problem with the left.

Much less, these BLUE STATE DEMOCRATS do not understand what red state democrats are dealing with nor do they understand political pragmatism or wisdom and restraint.

The Contrarian/Anti-Woke left continue trend of Anti-Democrat/Black & Dirtbag Leftist grift

:mjpls:

www.thecoli.com

 

[King Kreole]

Before October 7th, Briahna was openly telling people not to vote for Democrats.

So? Briahna Joy Gray does not represent the entire left, and is not even the median voice within the left.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So? Briahna Joy Gray does not represent the entire left, and is not even the median voice within the left.

You hinged this entire response on BJG

The left was pretty united in being willing to support Biden - a lifelong centrist and no beloved leftist himself - until he decided to aid and abet the worst humanitarian crisis of this era. The left was pretty united in being willing to support Kamala's campaign until she chose to support the genocidal Zionists and pal around with right-wing figures whose vision for America did not overlap with ours more than it diverged. If the next Democratic nominee is a Centrist who believes they can follow the deeply immoral path taken by Biden and Kamala, they will lose and the Democratic Party will continue to bleed support. Centrist Libs who have desiccated morality be damned, I'm not going to support a Party that enables this:



I cannot and I will not. Red line. It's up to Democratic leadership to decide if they want these leftist votes or not.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

fukk Bernie Sanders.

The DEMOCRATS did not back this plan. Schumer and a handful of idiots did this.